Switching/Moving tank advice

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I have a small 30 gallon tank currently (we bought it from someone about six months ago and moved it all intact--the tank had been running for around six years before that).
It's currently a FOWLR tank, but I decided to upgrade to a larger tank before we start building our coral reef, so we're making that our big family holiday gift. It will be a 60 gallon tank (the absolute largest I can fit in my space!)

My questions are about how to move this tank. The new tank will have to go in the same spot the current one is in. I know a bit about how to do it (I'll siphon off as much water as I can into buckets, fish in bucket with heater, live rock in another).

My two biggest issues are the substrate and the live rock. Current substrate is two inches of crushed coral with an inch of live sand on top. I'm not totally attached to this substrate and wouldn't mind changing it out, but I'm not sure if that will cause a full cycle to start again? Can I just use some of my current substrate to 'seed' the new tank? Should I use all of it? I'm keen to get rid of it because it's full of bristleworms (I know they're great for cuc, but I HATE them and want them GONE). I've read through the post about substrates, but I still can't make up my mind what to get, really. Do I have to use all living sand for the sand bed? It's awfully pricey, and I want at least a three inch sandbed for wrasses. My live rock is deep purple, and I'm thinking about the black sand, but I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions on it? Will it affect what fish I can get? (And probably a dumb question, but we have a cute scooter blenny that blends right in with our current spotted sand--would switching to a solid color sand stress her out too much?)

The second is the live rock--again it's full of bristle worms and teacup microalgae (which isn't awful, but it's grown out of control). Can I do anything to the rock to keep from transferring all the worms over to the new tank without killing the rock? Same with the algae--I'm thinking I can just hit the algae with a wire brush, but if there's something easier to do, I'm all ears.

Oh, I just thought of one more thing--my current tank has a HOB filter that seems to work pretty well, so I'm thinking to replace it with the same type, only much larger. I was thinking to take some of the filter media out of the current filter and stuff it in the new one to also help seed the bacteria. Good idea, or no?

Sorry for the novel here, I'm just nervous to do it right! thanks!!!
 
I have a small 30 gallon tank currently (we bought it from someone about six months ago and moved it all intact--the tank had been running for around six years before that).
It's currently a FOWLR tank, but I decided to upgrade to a larger tank before we start building our coral reef, so we're making that our big family holiday gift. It will be a 60 gallon tank (the absolute largest I can fit in my space!)

My questions are about how to move this tank. The new tank will have to go in the same spot the current one is in. I know a bit about how to do it (I'll siphon off as much water as I can into buckets, fish in bucket with heater, live rock in another).

My two biggest issues are the substrate and the live rock. Current substrate is two inches of crushed coral with an inch of live sand on top. I'm not totally attached to this substrate and wouldn't mind changing it out, but I'm not sure if that will cause a full cycle to start again? Can I just use some of my current substrate to 'seed' the new tank? Should I use all of it? I'm keen to get rid of it because it's full of bristleworms (I know they're great for cuc, but I HATE them and want them GONE). I've read through the post about substrates, but I still can't make up my mind what to get, really. Do I have to use all living sand for the sand bed? It's awfully pricey, and I want at least a three inch sandbed for wrasses. My live rock is deep purple, and I'm thinking about the black sand, but I'm wondering if anyone has any opinions on it? Will it affect what fish I can get? (And probably a dumb question, but we have a cute scooter blenny that blends right in with our current spotted sand--would switching to a solid color sand stress her out too much?)

The second is the live rock--again it's full of bristle worms and teacup microalgae (which isn't awful, but it's grown out of control). Can I do anything to the rock to keep from transferring all the worms over to the new tank without killing the rock? Same with the algae--I'm thinking I can just hit the algae with a wire brush, but if there's something easier to do, I'm all ears.

Oh, I just thought of one more thing--my current tank has a HOB filter that seems to work pretty well, so I'm thinking to replace it with the same type, only much larger. I was thinking to take some of the filter media out of the current filter and stuff it in the new one to also help seed the bacteria. Good idea, or no?

Sorry for the novel here, I'm just nervous to do it right! thanks!!!
1) Ditch the substrate
2) Save as much water as you can (if it was going in the same tank, I'd end up saving 50% but since this is an upgrade you could keep it all); add additional water to fill the new tank
3) Rinse the rock really well to wipe off detritus and other nasties

Simple as that. Most of the bacteria is on the rock & not in the water itself. Sand color doesn't really matter. Is your scooter eating frozen? That'd be my only concern since they like to eat pods & need an established tank.
 
Yes, she eats brine shrimp of all things like it's going out of style! I know we got lucky with this one.
 
1) Ditch the substrate
2) Save as much water as you can (if it was going in the same tank, I'd end up saving 50% but since this is an upgrade you could keep it all); add additional water to fill the new tank
3) Rinse the rock really well to wipe off detritus and other nasties

Simple as that. Most of the bacteria is on the rock & not in the water itself. Sand color doesn't really matter. Is your scooter eating frozen? That'd be my only concern since they like to eat pods & need an established tank.
With the rock, is there anything I can soak it in to get rid of at least some of the worms in all the holes? And can I rinse in freshwater or do I need to use salt water?
 
With the rock, is there anything I can soak it in to get rid of at least some of the worms in all the holes? And can I rinse in freshwater or do I need to use salt water?
I've always dipped my frags when transferring tanks. I've had to take down a take once. You could dip your rock in some flatworm exit but for every bristleworm you see, there's probably 3 you don't see. The dip may just knock them out but not get them out of the rock. Plus it'll knock out all the lovely pods which will already will take a hit (I'm a fan of the microfauna in a reef tank).

You did mention wanting a wrasse. I'm a fan of any in the halichores family. They clean out all the nasties! I have a Vrolik's and he's always on the hunt for a free meal.
 
I feel you....im moving from a leaking 20gal long to a 40gal breeder. And our rock has those darn worms too. Boyfriend actually bought a couple rocks from lfs live rock tub and they came with complimentary bristle worms...and hes a heavy handed feeder so theres alot of them...i named one jaws...it would make great fishing worm...lol
Now boyfriend did read somewhere that arrow crabs eat the worms...and i have see one of arrows have a bristle worm in his claws like person holding a turkey leg...hehehe
 
I feel you....im moving from a leaking 20gal long to a 40gal breeder. And our rock has those darn worms too. Boyfriend actually bought a couple rocks from lfs live rock tub and they came with complimentary bristle worms...and hes a heavy handed feeder so theres alot of them...i named one jaws...it would make great fishing worm...lol
Now boyfriend did read somewhere that arrow crabs eat the worms...and i have see one of arrows have a bristle worm in his claws like person holding a turkey leg...hehehe
Yes, after I added several new live rocks we suddenly had a whole herd of bristles. Arrow crabs are seriously ugly though. My arachnophobe daughter is terrified of them, lol!
 
Oh the good old upgrade. First off, good luck! Plan it out and make you you are fully prepared before you get started. There's nothing like realizing you're missing a fitting or didn't make enough water in the middle of a setup!

As far as sand goes, you could go either way. Your tank is new enough that I wouldn't really worry about too much nutrient build up in the sand, nothing a quick rinse wouldn't fix. Sounds like you want new sand (the color of which shouldn't matter much) and no it does not have to be live!

Unfortunately I'm no help in the fight against bristle worms, good luck though! Look forward to seeing updates!
 

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