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Hello all! Question. I have an 8 gallon Aqueon, cycling for about a week. I took a water sample to my LFS. Everything tested perfect. The salinity was at 1.023, PH at 8, nitrates good, the nitrites were slightly low. All in all, everything was good and he said it was safe to put a fish in. I was thinking of a "Nemo" clownfish and a crab. He stated the tank has to build waste by adding fish so he said it's safe to add a fish or two but nothing more for a tank my size.

I wanted to take advice on here and throw a frozen shrimp in it to let it rot and build waste. Would that be good for a week, then put fish in? I have all the equipment needed except for a wave maker as the tank is small. I plan on purchasing a pound of live rock today.

Ok, here comes the girlie question....do you think a clownfish will be lonely in a tank with just a crab? I have -0- experience with anemones, they are quite expensive and I can't afford a fail on that. By the way, thank you for your advice on purchasing a refractometer. My hydrometer was always .3 points off when I matched the results up with a refractometer. Thank you in advance for all your help. Great Forum~!

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A week is a bit soon, you didn't mention if you added any starter additives. If so, then it should be just fine for one fish.

If it was a larger tank I'd say go ahead without worry. I like my pico tanks to be well and truly cycled or I like to be able to monitor ammonia (test strip is fine) and change out water (50%) if it gets high or have a Poly Filter on hand to remove ammonia just in case.

If you go with the shrimp take it out after a couple days (don't let it rot) and take your sample back to LFS a couple days later. If no ammonia and more nitrites/nitrates - you're good to go.

One Clown is fine by itself. Actually I prefer one as it reduces mating aggression and territoriality somewhat.
 
A week is a bit soon, you didn't mention if you added any starter additives. If so, then it should be just fine for one fish.

If it was a larger tank I'd say go ahead without worry. I like my pico tanks to be well and truly cycled or I like to be able to monitor ammonia (test strip is fine) and change out water (50%) if it gets high or have a Poly Filter on hand to remove ammonia just in case.

If you go with the shrimp take it out after a couple days (don't let it rot) and take your sample back to LFS a couple days later. If no ammonia and more nitrites/nitrates - you're good to go.

One Clown is fine by itself. Actually I prefer one as it reduces mating aggression and territoriality somewhat.
Yes, I used a water conditioner when I started it up and I used 8 gallons of natural spring water treated with Instant Ocean salt. Thank you for the response about the one clown. You know us women, we all think every one and everything needs a companion :)
 
Hello all! Question. I have an 8 gallon Aqueon, cycling for about a week. I took a water sample to my LFS. Everything tested perfect. The salinity was at 1.023, PH at 8, nitrates good, the nitrites were slightly low. All in all, everything was good and he said it was safe to put a fish in. I was thinking of a "Nemo" clownfish and a crab. He stated the tank has to build waste by adding fish so he said it's safe to add a fish or two but nothing more for a tank my size.

I wanted to take advice on here and throw a frozen shrimp in it to let it rot and build waste. Would that be good for a week, then put fish in? I have all the equipment needed except for a wave maker as the tank is small. I plan on purchasing a pound of live rock today.

Ok, here comes the girlie question....do you think a clownfish will be lonely in a tank with just a crab? I have -0- experience with anemones, they are quite expensive and I can't afford a fail on that. By the way, thank you for your advice on purchasing a refractometer. My hydrometer was always .3 points off when I matched the results up with a refractometer. Thank you in advance for all your help. Great Forum~!

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1.023 is a tad low. If LFS was using API test- May be a false reading. You made mention of a shrimp placed in tank to rot. That is one method. Cycling is a 2-4 week process adding ZERO livestock as there will be daily chemical changes and swings occuring that will simply kill livestock.
API test kit is notorious for false readings and have let down many reefers hence the very low price for a master test kit. You will likely have inaccurate readings during the cycle process.
Ammonia badges have the same credibility as they are also intended for fresh water tanks ands also known for false readings.
What is cycling supposed to be ??
Decades ago, hobbyists would cycle their new tank with a sacrificial fish, like a blue damsel. While this method may still be used by some, it's not a good plan for two reasons: 1) as the ammonia rises in the water, the fish's gills are burned by the rising ammonia levels which is unkind, and 2) most people don't want the damsel in their aquarium later because it's deemed too aggressive to other livestock.
Once you fill up your aquarium with saltwater, powerheads, a heater and perhaps add sand for substrate, the next step is to "cycle" your tank. The purpose of a cycle is to create bacteria that will be consuming ammonia and nitrite from your livestock, but you have to get the bacteria from somewhere initially. Why is it called a cycle? Because the tank will go through three phases: ammonia will rise and fall, then nitrite will rise and fall even quicker, and lastly nitrate will rise and fall. Once Ammonia and Nitrite read 0 and Nitrate is less than 20ppm, the cycle is complete and livestock can gradually be introduced. The bacteria population will increase with the new bioload, processing waste and converting it to nitrate rapidly. However, it is important to note that overloading the aquarium with too many fish initially can exceed what the bacteria can handle. This is why it is best to add new fish slowly over the next few months. The bacterial levels will adapt if you don't overload the system with too many mouths to feed.

How long does the cycle generally last? Using the three test kits to measure results daily, you'll likely see the process takes 21 days. There are several ways to cycle a tank, but the easiest one is to run up to the supermarket, go to the seafood deli counter and ask for one large shrimp. If they sell it with the head, even better. One shrimp will cost about $1. Don't worry if they think you're crazy to buy only one; this is not the first time someone will wonder about your motivations with this hobby.
We're all crazy the day we considered getting into the saltwater hobby !!
Leave the shrimp in the tank for 72 hours. That's it. It may even visibly rot, or envelope in some type of mucous. That's what needs to happen. As the shrimp rots, ammonia is released into the water, and bacteria is growing exponentially, spreading into the substrate. The water may even look a little cloudy, which is totally normal and nothing to be concerned about. After three days, remove the shrimp and throw it away. It is no longer needed. Test for ammonia and see what it measures. It should read at the very least 1ppm, or higher.
Test the aquarium daily for Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate, logging the information on graph paper or perhaps in a spreadsheet or app. The more data points you collect over time will graph the rise and fall of each of these parameters. No livestock of any kind should be placed in the aquarium as long as you have any measurable traces of ammonia or nitrite because these are toxic to fish and invertebrates. Start planning what you'll want to put in your aquarium while you have a few weeks to wait. There's no reason to rush this process. A good solid foundation will benefit your future reef and handle the bio-load adequately.
Also - If you are running the system with a sump that has a refugium or Algae Turf Scrubber section, don't add any light or plants because the system is too clean.
 
So...if you didn't use a 'cycle starter' like Dr Tim's (there are others), then I would definitely go with the shrimp and make sure the tests come back with nitrate increase before adding fish, it may take a few weeks more to get there.

I'm just assuming my clown isn't lonely. I've never seen her (lone clowns turn female eventually) watching a Lifetime movie eating from right from the carton of Haagen-Dazs. But she does have a good apetite, nice color and reasonably active without being hyper.
 
I have a slight variation of testing from @vetteguy53081. While the above is an excellent breakdown of cycling. I do not believe you need to sample daily. Nor do I feel that you need to sample for ammonia if you don't have any fish (it doesn't hurt though). You can take your sample to the fish store once every few days/week (if you don't have nitrate test kit but it is recommended - and I don't recommend spending money on ammonia/nitrite kits as you'll never use them again). The end result as stated above is nitrate increase, once that's achieved, you're cycled.

Edited: Didn't want to imply earlier post was incorrect just that I have different testing approach.
 
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1.023 is a tad low. If LFS was using API test- May be a false reading. You made mention of a shrimp placed in tank to rot. That is one method. Cycling is a 2-4 week process adding ZERO livestock as there will be daily chemical changes and swings occuring that will simply kill livestock.
API test kit is notorious for false readings and have let down many reefers hence the very low price for a master test kit. You will likely have inaccurate readings during the cycle process.
Ammonia badges have the same credibility as they are also intended for fresh water tanks ands also known for false readings.
What is cycling supposed to be ??
Decades ago, hobbyists would cycle their new tank with a sacrificial fish, like a blue damsel. While this method may still be used by some, it's not a good plan for two reasons: 1) as the ammonia rises in the water, the fish's gills are burned by the rising ammonia levels which is unkind, and 2) most people don't want the damsel in their aquarium later because it's deemed too aggressive to other livestock.
Once you fill up your aquarium with saltwater, powerheads, a heater and perhaps add sand for substrate, the next step is to "cycle" your tank. The purpose of a cycle is to create bacteria that will be consuming ammonia and nitrite from your livestock, but you have to get the bacteria from somewhere initially. Why is it called a cycle? Because the tank will go through three phases: ammonia will rise and fall, then nitrite will rise and fall even quicker, and lastly nitrate will rise and fall. Once Ammonia and Nitrite read 0 and Nitrate is less than 20ppm, the cycle is complete and livestock can gradually be introduced. The bacteria population will increase with the new bioload, processing waste and converting it to nitrate rapidly. However, it is important to note that overloading the aquarium with too many fish initially can exceed what the bacteria can handle. This is why it is best to add new fish slowly over the next few months. The bacterial levels will adapt if you don't overload the system with too many mouths to feed.

How long does the cycle generally last? Using the three test kits to measure results daily, you'll likely see the process takes 21 days. There are several ways to cycle a tank, but the easiest one is to run up to the supermarket, go to the seafood deli counter and ask for one large shrimp. If they sell it with the head, even better. One shrimp will cost about $1. Don't worry if they think you're crazy to buy only one; this is not the first time someone will wonder about your motivations with this hobby.
We're all crazy the day we considered getting into the saltwater hobby !!
Leave the shrimp in the tank for 72 hours. That's it. It may even visibly rot, or envelope in some type of mucous. That's what needs to happen. As the shrimp rots, ammonia is released into the water, and bacteria is growing exponentially, spreading into the substrate. The water may even look a little cloudy, which is totally normal and nothing to be concerned about. After three days, remove the shrimp and throw it away. It is no longer needed. Test for ammonia and see what it measures. It should read at the very least 1ppm, or higher.
Test the aquarium daily for Ammonia, Nitrite and Nitrate, logging the information on graph paper or perhaps in a spreadsheet or app. The more data points you collect over time will graph the rise and fall of each of these parameters. No livestock of any kind should be placed in the aquarium as long as you have any measurable traces of ammonia or nitrite because these are toxic to fish and invertebrates. Start planning what you'll want to put in your aquarium while you have a few weeks to wait. There's no reason to rush this process. A good solid foundation will benefit your future reef and handle the bio-load adequately.
Also - If you are running the system with a sump that has a refugium or Algae Turf Scrubber section, don't add any light or plants because the system is too clean.
Thank you! Great, informative reading about the cycling process. I never knew. I mean I knew it has to cycle but I didn't know the process it goes through. As far as a pump, no sump just a 10 gallon Aqueon HOB filter with cartridges. I wanted to upgrade to a 20 gallon but had to return the purchase as it would not fit in the tank with the lid.

That's good to know about nitrates fluctuating while the tank is cycling. I was going nuts checking 3x a day with varying results.

The LFS did use a refractometer and I'm unsure if he used strips as I looked away admiring their tanks. I, myself use strips. I am not the most patient person in the world so in this case I will wait for the process to complete. I could not bear to put a sacrificial fish in there, plus I think blue damsels although less expensive are beautiful fish.

I will go with the dead shrimp. I'm used to buying a minimal amount of shrimp as I have a small koi pond in the yard and they love it as a treat. Thank you again! It's a very exciting and fun hobby.
 
So...if you didn't use a 'cycle starter' like Dr Tim's (there are others), then I would definitely go with the shrimp and make sure the tests come back with nitrate increase before adding fish, it may take a few weeks more to get there.

I'm just assuming my clown isn't lonely. I've never seen her (lone clowns turn female eventually) watching a Lifetime movie eating from right from the carton of Haagen-Dazs. But she does have a good apetite, nice color and reasonably active without being hyper.
lol@Haggen Daz and Lifetime
 
If your LFS doesn't know that measuring nitrate is useless in the presence of nitrite, they are not saltwater experts so be wary about the advice you receive from them. Good job coming here to ask!

If you used bottled bacteria for quick cycling or live rock you would be ready to stock. If not, then toss a quarter shrimp in and wait.

You didn't mention ammonia level which is the most important to measure when cycling.
 

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