Tank Stand Failing

I don't know what area you are in, but you may want to check for local clubs in your area to seek a cabinet builder that understands marine aquarium needs.

I'm a carpenter myself, and I hate MDF for marine applications, solid lumber or ply is much better.

As for aluminum, many do use this and there are threads on this here, for some people this works well, and you can always wrap w/ pretty wood later, and you are not locked into magnet panel doors, but they are an option and some people like those.

I prefer quick release soft close hinges myself.

Having a steel stand is a nice option, if coated w/ something durable, and powder coat is nice if in budget, costs a little more.

Luckily you caught in time, and good use of brutes, just one reason I keep several on hand.

I belong to a facebook buy and trade group and there are lots of monthly coral shows, but west Michigan does not have any clubs unfortunately. I contacted Reef Savvy to get more info on some of their builds. I've seen some awesome builds on this forum and I've reached out to a few users.
 
Thank you guys for your awesome suggestions and ideas.

My plan is to buy a small 40g breeder to temporarily keep the fish with heaters, powerheads, etc. I've got 2 44 gallon Brute containers I use for water changes that I can keep the live rock in. I'll siphon the water off, transfer the sand to a few 5 gallon buckets.

I'm hoping this will ameliorate the current flood risk while I order a new stand.

Next quetion: suggestions for 48 x 24 inch stand!! Really like the red sea reef aquarium stands and how they look, but I haven't done much research.
I have the Red Sea E-260 and can tell you they are VERY well put together. I LOVE the epoxy coating they have on every piece, it eliminates any possibility of water getting into the base material.
 
I despise the store bought stands for this reason. MDF board is not suitable near watEr PERIOD! This includes bathroom vanities, kitchen cabinets, or fishtank stands. A little water it it deteriorates instantly.

If you're handy with wood working you can easily build one yourself, just browse the forums and you'll find a lot of plans for inspiration. If you want to get the main tank up ASAP you can easily build a simple 2×6 structure stand to hold the tank while you take your time and finish a nice furniture grade stand. Although this would require an extra transfer building a stand is time consuming. The build is the easy part but finishing with color and topcoat can take awhile depending on the products you choose.

If you are interested in this I'd be glad to lend some advise just let me know.
 
Update: I went to a few places around west michigan to get quotes and it doesn't look like the cheapest option. I'd consider doing it myself, but I'm not equipped to produce an actual good looking tank.

I'm becoming more and more familiar with the red sea reefer series and the 425 XL is looking VERY interesting to me. If anyone has intimate experience with one, I'd love to hear what you got to say.
 
superman, seriously fast. Cool of the lfs to offer a discount. Did you ever discover the reason it failed so quickly? Just bad craftsmanship, or did you have a leak somewhere?
 
I'm not sure if those are MDF or not, I think they are, and that would not be my choice for long term, but it is a quicker cheaper resolve.

Just be aware MDF does not last nearly as long.
 
What you are looking for is a outdoor wood cabinet ply and not marine grade ply. If someone uses regular cabinet ply, make use all the edges are sealed in the construction, besides the sides being finished.

Why wood cabinet ply and not marine ply. Just curious

I think the Red Sea stands (at least for the larger tank are completely sealed marine grade Ply the ones for the smaller tanks are Coated MDF (But they are completely sealed. I dont think that you can just buy a stand - and I think if I was going with Red Sea - I would buy the whole tank, sump etc (since it fits well and they are designed to work together).
 
Update: I went to a few places around west michigan to get quotes and it doesn't look like the cheapest option. I'd consider doing it myself, but I'm not equipped to produce an actual good looking tank.

I'm becoming more and more familiar with the red sea reefer series and the 425 XL is looking VERY interesting to me. If anyone has intimate experience with one, I'd love to hear what you got to say.
I have one (a 525 and a 725) - excellent choice. Be aware that the delivery time can be long (i.e. 2-3 weeks) unless a local store has one in stock. Also check under the specs - that may be an MDF stand - though they are well covered with resin (i.e. no seams)
 
PS - this is the information about the 425 reefer XL. from the website. These tanks sit on extra durable HPL coated plywood Marine Spec cabinets for greater water resistance, with fully adjustable feet for perfect leveling on any surface.
 
Why wood cabinet ply and not marine ply. Just curious

I think the Red Sea stands (at least for the larger tank are completely sealed marine grade Ply the ones for the smaller tanks are Coated MDF (But they are completely sealed. I dont think that you can just buy a stand - and I think if I was going with Red Sea - I would buy the whole tank, sump etc (since it fits well and they are designed to work together).

Marine grade may be an added and unnecessary expense.
Any decent ply would be plenty strong enough if designed properly and properly sealed.

MDF that has been sealed is better than not sealed, but it does not take much to break that seal, and once that happens and water can penetrate it begins to swell, and eventually will fail.
 
Yikes! I'm sorry to hear this as well. You got a few really good suggestions for going forward. I would also look into the cause of this problem. For it to be that damaged there must be a somewhat constant or regular supply of water coming in contact with the stand.
MDF can fail with just regular spilling from tank maintenance. The glue that holds the veneer on is probably not a waterproof type 3 or epoxy. Once MDF gets wet it soaks up water like a sponge. Brace it and get on a new stand asap.
 
Why wood cabinet ply and not marine ply. Just curious

Good question:)

Marine ply has carcinogens in the ply used during the process of pressure treating the wood. The marine ply also breaks down faster then one would think when in a wet environment. Marine ply is also heavy, and we go back to the carcinogens when working with the ply. There are several grades of outdoor ply's that use water resistant glues and are coated to resist moisture. These ply's can be skined/veneered, laminated, or finished and will outlast any conventional construction you see on the market now by many years. Basically you have a forever cabinet. There is a price for these types of ply but not much more the good cabinet grade ply's

Wood cabinet ply is a good choice but need to have the edges pre finished so that the joinery if wet will not such the moisture in like a sponge, and proper finish used on the outside. Another thing to look for is a 11 ply cabinet grade ply and not the 5 layer ply's. Most improvement stores will have cabinet grade ply but not of a quality that is bought wholesale by shops building, some wholesale supply places will sell to the public. Even in the wholesale purchasing market one has to fearful of what is being sold, source a good source. Chinese ply has so much formaldehyde in the glue one can smell it and one needs to stay away from that too, remember the Chinese dry, same thing.

Building out of hardwood is another option and using the proper finish.

Another recommendation would be is to have a top larger then the cabinet in case of spills, so that the water does not go inside of the cabinets but around the outside or on the floor.

Most of the manufactured cabinets that come with the tanks are a melamine covered cheap substrate and once scratched, chipped or moisture stand on a edge or joint the substrate is compromised. The manufacture is going to use the most cost effective way to produce there products.

I hope this helps an answers your question.
 
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Good question:)

Marine ply has carcinogens in the ply used during the process of pressure treating the wood. The marine ply also breaks down faster then one would think when in a wet environment. Marine ply is also heavy, and we go back to the carcinogens when working with the ply. There are several grades of outdoor ply's that use water resistant glues and are coated to resist moisture. These ply's can be skined/veneered, laminated, or finished and will outlast any conventional construction you see on the market now by many years. Basically you have a forever cabinet. There is a price for these types of ply but not much more the good cabinet grade ply's

Wood cabinet ply is a good choice but need to have the edges pre finished so that the joinery if wet will not such the moisture in like a sponge, and proper finish used on the outside. Another thing to look for is a 11 ply cabinet grade ply and not the 5 layer ply's. Most improvement stores will have cabinet grade ply but not of a quality that is bought wholesale by shops building, some wholesale supply places will sell to the public. Even in the wholesale purchasing market one has to fearful of what is being sold, source a good source. Chinese ply has so much formaldehyde in the glue one can smell it and one needs to stay away from that too, remember the Chinese dry, same thing.

Building out of hardwood is another option and using the proper finish.

Another recommendation would be is to have a top larger then the cabinet in case of spills, so that the water does not go inside of the cabinets but around the outside or on the floor.

Most of the manufactured cabinets that come with the tanks are a melamine covered cheap substrate and once scratched, chipped or moisture stand on a edge or joint the substrate is compromised. The manufacture is going to use the most cost effective way to product there product.

I hope this helps an answers your question.

This is why I like to be on sites, learning new details I'm not familiar w/ myself, but usually more reef related than construction/carpentry as that is what I've been doing for 30 years!

But there's always something new to be learned isn't there?

My trade specialty does not take me into marine ply use at all, so I have not researched much there myself, but I'm glad to learn here that I'm glad I don't use it.

Chems are an issue in my trade, and MDF gives me a serious headache when I use it, and same for the Chinese ply's from the big box stores.
I avoid using big box ply for this reason, all kinds of unhealthy crud I should not breathe on a regular basis as I do.
Appreciate all the good points made here jsker!
 
But there's always something new to be learned isn't there?

Yes sir.:):) I agree that there is so much sharing of information on R2R besides reefing and it is fantastic.
 
superman, seriously fast. Cool of the lfs to offer a discount. Did you ever discover the reason it failed so quickly? Just bad craftsmanship, or did you have a leak somewhere?

It's entirely speculative, but I suspect that Not wiping down Any salt creep near the sumpe resulted in a breakdown of the laminate.
 
Too many possibilities to guess, bad glue ups or wrong glue often happens.

I have literally received calls from people who's stands were failing mid fill up of tank on MDF stands.

Ply or solid wood does not do that if designed properly.
 
Too many possibilities to guess, bad glue ups or wrong glue often happens.

I have literally received calls from people who's stands were failing mid fill up of tank on MDF stands.

Ply or solid wood does not do that if designed properly.
There is no substitute for solid wood. Stregnth and beauty!
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That's fantastic! Taking nothing away from the marvelous craftsmanship all around, I've never seen such beautiful 2x4's.... the vertical supports for your canopy. Looks like a lot of love went into them, and probably a lot of time picking through the pile at the lumber yard :)
 
That's fantastic! Taking nothing away from the marvelous craftsmanship all around, I've never seen such beautiful 2x4's.... the vertical supports for your canopy. Looks like a lot of love went into them, and probably a lot of time picking through the pile at the lumber yard :)
They are actually 1 5/8 x 3" mahogany milled down from a large rough plank. I always buy hardwood rough and then joint it and plane it to the dimensions I need. It is essential to have it flat and square before doing the joinery.
Glad you like it! I'm going to start setting it up this weekend.
 

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