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Hello all, first time post. I have a 220g mixed reef, barely. Mostly a fish tank, but some softies and more to come (if we get past this....)

All parameters are good, SG just a little high at 1.028. I'm working it down with water changes.

About 3 weeks ago I started losing fish. It's been horrible ever since. I've lost over a dozen, have only 4 fish left, and none of them are going to make it much longer by the looks of it. (Almost) none of them showed any physical symptoms prior to being found missing or dead the next morning, although some other developments would change that. I'll try to keep it brief...

I have a Naso, Desjardini Sailfin, Hippo, and a Darwin clown left. The Naso showed some cloudiness in his eyes a week ago....they are now fully clouded. The Sailfin has a little bit of cloud in his eyes, and has also had HLLE for 6 months. The Hippo shows no visible problems even now. And the Darwin was fine until yesterday...today his twin is being eaten by some Caribbean fireworms and he's looking like he'll give up the ghost by tomorrow. ALL OTHER FISH died without warning, most of them just disappeared in the rocks. This made me suspect a predator worm or something....early in the tank, I lost a diamond goby to a 6ft long Eunicid worm, but he's gone now...but I'm always suspicious because of this.

Anyway, 3 weeks and 80% of my fish dead, with the last strong hold-outs probably gone in the next couple days. I do QT, but only on arrival....I've never attempted to catch them from the DT and put in QT.

I do have a bad outbreak of Caribbean fireworms, but I don't expect they are murdering fish every night, especially a 5" square back Anthias or a 5" powder blue tang....that one I actually found and he looked beautiful even when dead....no signs of malaise. They just eat them all up as soon as they're dead.

Zoas, mushrooms, and flower pots seem fine. Fire shrimp seems perfectly happy. No noticeable loss of snails or crabs. BTA seems decent (he's never been awesome, but he's still kind of new).

Interesting side note: in one year I never had a fish jump out of the tank; it's got a high canopy, would be tricky to do anyway. In two days time last week I had two do it: an ocellaris clown and a diamond goby. Don't know if that's useful info but two jumpers in two days after 0 jumpers in 400 days doesn't feel right.

Last item of note: this is not a drilled tank. I do not run a sump. I run 2 Fluval FX6 and around 140lbs of live rock. Weekly 25% water changes. I copied this off of a very densely stocked LFS tank that seems to be having great success with it. But in an effort to reduce nitrate (it does run ~20 to 30 sometimes), I added a Reef Octopus 2000 HOB skimmer, days before the death spiral began.

My best suspicions are a viral or bacterial infection. It's not ich, there's no sign. I don't think it's velvet, again because I've seen no external symptoms of such.

My real question for the experts here....do you agree that bacteria is the likely cause? What else can ravage a tank in this manner? Could this have anything to do with the new skimmer? And for treatment, once the tank is fallow, do I need to do anything other than just wait a while? Will the infection die out without fish to infect? Can I put antibiotics in a DT with some softies?

I'm probably sharing too much useless info and not enough useful....just very bummed and frustrated. All my fishh.......anyone, please help.
 
You are gonna get a lot of suggestions and theories .... this has happened to me before, incl the jumpers..
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I’d Start there ... 30% then 30% then 30%
 
Sorry for your losses. The jumpers suddenly happening seems odd.
Have you checked your tank for stray voltage? I'd especially be curious about the last move you made before all this started: the RO skimmer.
 
Sorry for your losses. The jumpers suddenly happening seems odd.
Have you checked your tank for stray voltage? I'd especially be curious about the last move you made before all this started: the RO skimmer.
There ya go another great suggestion.... along with salt maybe add a stay volt probe To your list if you don't already have one
 
Have you tried a possible PolyFilter? It can remove contaminates in your water and changes color to indicate any toxins or heavy metals. It can suck out phosphates too so be careful but I think at this point identifying and removing any possible toxins may take precedent. I’m sorry for your losses. I’m following along to see what you find out. Good luck!
 
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Cloudy eyes could be a bacteria issue. But Velvet is another sign of cloudy eye. If you have voltage issue good chance your soft coral be a sign not doing well. I 'll say velvet.
 
Considering the speed of these deaths, the fact theyre specific to fish, and your observations of symptoms, it sure seems plausible a bacterial pathogen played a role here.

I see bacterial fish pathogens in something like 10% of healthy tanks. Message me if youd like to find out whats in yours...
 
Good responses so far, thanks. Update, I was right the other Darwin clown is gone. I'm left with Naso, Sailfin and Hippo. Naso does not look good and is cowering, Sailfin seems fine, no cloudy eyes. Hippo looks fine but acting pretty timid.
I won't quote everyone but try to address the ideas to this point.
Params: 78F, 1.026SG, 0 NH3, 0 NO2, 40 NO3, 8.2pH......the only one I'm not thrilled about is the NO3 but that's not going to kill fish en masse.

I use Fritz RPM and have lots of it, and do weekly water changes, 50g at a time. This doesn't seem to have helped, and only stresses the fish out more.

I am adding stray voltage to the suspect list, given the timing of the new skimmer. I'll put on my mask and go get a voltmeter tonight. Curious that the fire shrimp, mushrooms, zoas and flower pots seem unaffected, but even so it'll be one more thing easy to check off. If it is voltage, is it safe to assume that I should purge the offender (almost certainly the OTP 2000 pump from the skimmer) rather than just use one of those probes to try and draw the voltage back out of the water? Anyone know if BRS would be willing to help...I got it from them.

Polyfilter: do Fluval Polishing pads qualify as "poly filter"? Or do I need to run something else?

If it is bacterial, what are the solutions? Do I have to do a full tear down and dry-out? Or can I just run fallow for 4 or 6 or whatever weeks, and start over? Can I run antibiotics in a fallow DT? Seems like killing a good portion of the nitrifying bacteria isn't really a problem right now, given I'm in re-boot mode. And more importantly, is there any point in sleuthing where it came from, or just suck it up and press on and pray it doesn't happen again?

AquaBiomics, I'll PM you.

Thanks all, keep your comments coming.
 
This is the Poly Filter I was referring to.
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You could treat the tank with an antibacterial that is not going to wipe out the bio filter. I have used melafix marine with good results for infections and what not. I believe it is a tea tree extract.

One other point, if you dont have a sump, then run an air stone with any bacterial medication as some can result in low oxygen saturation in your water.

Good luck and keep us posted.
 
sorry for the loss i know that is frustrating and there are too many moving parts,
You had mentioned that your parameters are fine, but i doubt that, either your testers are not working or there is something in the water that your tests are not picking up.

I have had an issue once before and nearly cleared up my tank, and it was my equipment, one of my pumps was leading out metal, plastic cover was deteriorated and metal was seeking through. On a good note always check your equipment,

I would highly recommend for you to mail in a test.

You can then know exactly whats in your water, youd be suprised!!!

again i am sorry for whats happening but Check your pumps,
 
Updates...
Three tangs still going strong. Strange thing.....the cloudiness in the Naso's eyes got much much better, like from 90% clouded to 10%. But he's still showing stress spots and not swimming strong like he used to.

Melafix arrived yesterday. I did a full dose....freaked the fish out big time, and also the snails. They all fell off the glass and were writhing around. AND....it made the naso's eyes cloud over again. But best I can tell, it didn't kill the snails, because they're all either hiding in the rocks or back on the glass today.

So today, the fish seemed a little more chipper, Naso's eyes were clearer again, and when I fed them, they all went nuts.....haven't done that in a couple weeks. After they ate I did another Melafix dose, and they responded the same: stress spots and hiding.

Polyfilter is on its way. Also, got a multimeter. Just tested and got 47v on DC. Unplugged the skimmer, still got 47v. Not sure if 47 is a lot or not.

I think I will continue the Melafix, step through the equipment to identify if there's one outsized current contributor, and after the Melafix regimen, check for contaminants with the Polyfilter. If I don't get improvement, I'll move onto specific testing of water contaminants and bacterial infections. Any other suggestions?
 

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