The best parameters to keep?

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Sense ive started my reef tank I've herd many different ways to do many things in the reefing hobby. And I quickly found that everyone has there own way of doing things. But when it comes to calc. alk. Mag. ect. like everything else I hear different things. But let's face the facts there has to be that perfect level where coral grows the best. But does anyone really know what it is? And if you think you have figured it out let us know and post a picture of your tank. And is magnesium really that important to dose? Ive herd many say that it's optional and you don't have to dose it. Even my lfs. So how important is it really?

Thanks everyone
 
Well I can tell you what works for me. Bit whatever you choose. Stability over a long period of time is truely the key.

My system thrives at
35ppt salinity
450 calcium
1400 mag
10.5 alk
4-5 nitrates
0.08-0.10 po4
And 78°

Mag is important as it's used in part of the coral absorption of calcium. I use a calcium reactor to maintain my calcium alk and mag levels. As the I use crushed coral and magnesium within the chamber
And a pic to show I'm not just talking hahah. It's a mixed reef with zoas to acros and plenty of softies and LPS. its lit by 2 hydra 52s and 2 hydra 26s

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Here is my opinion... and you’re likely to get many... but while there may be a “perfect” level for one specific coral, I don’t think there are perfect numbers for all coral. This is why you often see a range. Certain parameters are critical for some corals but not so crucial for others. This may be a bit of a stretch, but humans are different from one another. It‘s pretty obvious I have very different nutritional requirements compared to my wife who is literally half my size. Nevertheless, we often eat the same thing for dinner, perhaps in different proportions, and I’ll call that somewhat analogous to a “range.”

Now add to that the fact that there are infinite ways to set up and maintain a tank, and it further compounds the complexities involved. There are plenty of videos and threads on numbers, and they all say something slightly different... which is part of your point. So rather than offering up yet another set of numbers, I’m just providing my take on the issue...

...which again, is just my opinion.
 
There isn't a "perfect" level, and you'll do more harm to your tank trying to chase a perfect level than if you just find a range that works for your tank and try to maintain that.

All corals are different, all tanks are different, all flow levels are different, and all lighting levels are different. Different corals will use up minerals at different rates, different fish will do different thing to the water and the corals, different micro and macroorganisms will have different results... point is, chemistry in our water is a very complex beast, and it's impossible to give one uniform level for any given parameter that will always be the best.

Instead of shooting for a level, shoot for stability, and try and dial in your parameters to be about the same throughout most of the time.

Salinity: You can have success anywhere from 1.021 to 1.029 specific gravity. Best range seems to be clustered around 1.026.
Calcium: 400-480 seems to be best. Higher than that, and you can make your alkalinity volatile. Lower than that, and there isn't enough calcium for skeleton and shell formation.
Alkalinity: 7.0-11.0 dKh seems to be the range here, with stability being more important than any particular value. 8.0 is what a lot of the "systems" will tell you to shoot for, but that's more for it being a safe reference value than because of any particular magical impact at that level.
Magnesium: A range of 1200-1450 ppm seems to be the preferred level. Magnesium is a critical element for metabolism; too low, and there isn't enough. Too much can disrupt the metabolism of some corals.
Nitrates: We used to think that we wanted 0 nitrates, but now the research seems to show that low levels (5-10 ppm) are healthy for corals. Common refrain: Too little, and there isn't enough for corals to use. Too much, and it turns toxic.

So there are ranges to everything, and there really isn't a perfect level. That's to be expected; corals are long-lived animals that have been around for millions of years, and they need to have some ability to adapt to their environment to survive. However, that adaptability is tempered around the realities of life in tropical oceans. Water parameters in the open ocean tend to stay stable from minute to minute, hour to hour and day to day. In the ocean, you're looking at weeks to months for meaningful changes to happen, and so that's what corals are adapted for: slow, gradual changes taking place over a period of months.
 
Don’t be a number chaser! It’s important to test your tank parameters, but what is most important is consistency. Tanks thrive under different lighting and temperature, as well as phosphates, nitrates, and calcium. I would suggest doing consistent water changes, whether you do 5% each week or 10% every 2 weeks. And keep a close eye on your tank! When you have algae growth or cyano blooms, you can bet that your phosphates and nitrates are out of whack and a little phosguard will fix you right up. lol, just test your parameters an hour after doing a thorough tank cleaning and water change and try to keep them around that.
 
I normally keep mine pretty stable.
Calc-440
Ph-8.3
Alk-11.5
Salinity-1.025
 
Sense ive started my reef tank I've herd many different ways to do many things in the reefing hobby. And I quickly found that everyone has there own way of doing things. But when it comes to calc. alk. Mag. ect. like everything else I hear different things. But let's face the facts there has to be that perfect level where coral grows the best. But does anyone really know what it is? And if you think you have figured it out let us know and post a picture of your tank. And is magnesium really that important to dose? Ive herd many say that it's optional and you don't have to dose it. Even my lfs. So how important is it really?

Thanks everyone
Your corals conditions is good sign to perfect perimeters. If corals look happy AND thriving, good sign your on the right road. Example, there's a Swedish Aquarium institution(Sallstrom) , and Alk is mainly 7.5, and corals multiplying. They have corals 10+ years old.
Sallstrom is a member here, chief Marine Biologist there
 
MG is very important.....with the appropriate amount (1260-1360ppm) your ALK and CA will just come together and not be available to your Stoney corals.
 
Your corals conditions is good sign to perfect perimeters. If corals look happy AND thriving, good sign your on the right road. Example, there's a Swedish Aquarium institution(Sallstrom) , and Alk is mainly 7.5, and corals multiplying. They have corals 10+ years old.
Sallstrom is a member here, chief Marine Biologist there
I had some zoas that closed and looked pinched for weeks. When my alk went to 11.5 I started to see them open a little. So with that being said I hope I found the right level and they open all the way
 
MG is very important.....with the appropriate amount (1260-1360ppm) your ALK and CA will just come together and not be available to your Stoney corals.
I guess I'll be getting a test kit and mag and start dosing lol thanks
 
In nature, coral growth depends mainly on what is going on in the coral holobiont, the supply of organic nitrogen and phosphorus, arranged and supplied by the coral holobiont, in an oligotrophic environment.
The calcification rate depends meanly on CO3 availability.
Phosphorus plays a key role in the calcification rate. Recent research from different sources from all over the world has proven phosphorus availability increases the calcification rate of growing corals.
P-enrichment improves calcification in corals but can deteriorate the firmness of the skeleton. (ShantzAndBurkepile2014)
ref: http://www.baharini.eu/baharini/doku.php?id=nl:makazi:chemie:calcificatie

But why corals must grow fast? Fast-growing corals will grow towards the light and have a low density which means they may break off easily.
 
Sense ive started my reef tank I've herd many different ways to do many things in the reefing hobby. And I quickly found that everyone has there own way of doing things. But when it comes to calc. alk. Mag. ect. like everything else I hear different things. But let's face the facts there has to be that perfect level where coral grows the best. But does anyone really know what it is? And if you think you have figured it out let us know and post a picture of your tank. And is magnesium really that important to dose? Ive herd many say that it's optional and you don't have to dose it. Even my lfs. So how important is it really?

Thanks everyone


it ALL matters!!! temp, flow, size, rock, sand, coral, fish, feeding... EVERYTHING matters. that being said i believe there are ideal ranges.. a tad higher than NSW and more food and light.. pretty simple really. (every tank is a fingerprint though.. so to get those ideal levels may require dif things)

its part of what makes it a hobby ;)
 
I'm thinking maybe the params of the seas where our corals come from could be best and programmed within their DNA but then again we manipulate params to achieve what isn't natural generally. Really fast growth or colour expression. I bet they'd be happier being brown and mellow somewhere in the red sea. Lol

I guess it comes down to the best params for us and what we want to see.
 

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