The NEXT Generation From Neptune?

CuzzA · Jan 30, 2020

I think you'll see a Neptune skimmer or LED light before you see a new controller.

I do agree that every manufacturer is going the way of making complete reef systems under their brand and we're going to see a lot more of it.

Dragon52 · Jan 30, 2020

Maybe it's this.

ApexEL Aquarium Monitor Special Edition

You can relax about your reef tank knowing that the Apex EL BRS Special Edition has your back. The BRS SE Apex EL monitors key tank parameters and comes pre-configured to send you alerts via the built-in WiFi if anything is amiss. It's hard to overstate the value of having an aquarium monitor...

www.bulkreefsupply.com

robbyg · Jan 30, 2020

Kyl said:
Insanely smart and savvy move by BRS to feature that retailer lock-in. I'm not so sure those formerly "valuable" brick and mortar partners that have put out endless in-person marketing are going to be very happy.

Nothing new, the two companies have been pretty much in lock step for years.

hotdrop · Jan 30, 2020

250 is a good deal just the ato can run you 150-200. Only catch is that you probably need an eb 8 of similar yo actually top off

robbyg · Jan 30, 2020

Dragon52 said:
Maybe it's this.

ApexEL Aquarium Monitor Special Edition

You can relax about your reef tank knowing that the Apex EL BRS Special Edition has your back. The BRS SE Apex EL monitors key tank parameters and comes pre-configured to send you alerts via the built-in WiFi if anything is amiss. It's hard to overstate the value of having an aquarium monitor...

www.bulkreefsupply.com

So basically your getting two level sensors for free?? I guess that's not bad but doesn't it put every other distributor at a disadvantage?

Dragon52 · Jan 30, 2020

robbyg said:
So basically your getting two level sensors for free?? I guess that's not bad but doesn't it put every other distributor at a disadvantage?

i don't have any Neptune stuff, too costly right now but I received an email about it at 8:17 & then noticed this thread when someone mentioned a BRS special statement I thought this might be it.

CuzzA · Jan 30, 2020

Dragon52 said:
Maybe it's this.

ApexEL Aquarium Monitor Special Edition

You can relax about your reef tank knowing that the Apex EL BRS Special Edition has your back. The BRS SE Apex EL monitors key tank parameters and comes pre-configured to send you alerts via the built-in WiFi if anything is amiss. It's hard to overstate the value of having an aquarium monitor...

www.bulkreefsupply.com

Ahh, the poor newbie who buys that will be buying an Apex twice once he realizes he can't do much with that.

Former Apex Jr. Owner.

Amado · Jan 30, 2020

I think this is very good for Neptune. You have a lot of people that can’t afford the $800 for the full system. What I don’t understand is why didn’t they add a 4 port power strip like the apex JR.

This is a big f-u to all the other distributors of Neptune products. They already have very small margins and I am also sure everyone is tired with not having inventory of trident or reagents.
If I was a LFS I would be clearing out the Neptune product wall. Let BRS sell it.

I sure Neptune is also not happy that saltwater.com is selling other controllers.
BRS only sells Neptune.

Mical · Jan 30, 2020

GK3 said:
where is the info on this brewing announcement? I’ve not heard anything around this and I spend a ton of time looking for Neptune product announcement leaks.

Announced today -> https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/apex-el-aquarium-monitor-brs-special-edition.685908/

ca1ore · Jan 31, 2020

Juvenile squabbling aside, and back to the original question ..... I agree that a major revision of the 2016 apex is unlikely anytime soon. At some point Neptune will want to offer something that exceeds the capability of the brain, but that seems a ways off. There was some incorrect speculation that this weeks ‘big’ announcement was going to be a new light; but that seems at least conceivable in the future as it’s a major hole in their offerings. I’d be shocked, given the success of the trident, that there haven’t at least been some early conversations about further automated testing capabilities.

Billldg · Jan 31, 2020

I already spent enough money on Apex stuff, lets wait a decade before i have to upgrade, LOL!!! ;Hilarious

robbyg · Jan 31, 2020

ca1ore said:
Juvenile squabbling aside, and back to the original question ..... I agree that a major revision of the 2016 apex is unlikely anytime soon. At some point Neptune will want to offer something that exceeds the capability of the brain, but that seems a ways off. There was some incorrect speculation that this weeks ‘big’ announcement was going to be a new light; but that seems at least conceivable in the future as it’s a major hole in their offerings. I’d be shocked, given the success of the trident, that there haven’t at least been some early conversations about further automated testing capabilities.

It would be shocking to me if they did come out with a new testing system. Right now they are in the money making phase, so I am sure they don't want to dump a whole lot of money into R&D on another testing unit when they really have no competition!
If the Mindstream had been a success then all bets would be off as they would quickly be looking to get something that could test at least 7 or 8 parameters. The closest thing they have to a rival right now is GHLs two stand alone testers which will cost you almost twice the price of a Trident.

CuzzA · Jan 31, 2020

robbyg said:
It would be shocking to me if they did come out with a new testing system. Right now they are in the money making phase, so I am sure they don't want to dump a whole lot of money into R&D on another testing unit when they really have no competition!
If the Mindstream had been a success then all bets would be off as they would quickly be looking to get something that could test at least 7 or 8 parameters. The closest thing they have to a rival right now is GHLs two stand alone testers which will cost you almost twice the price of a Trident.

Reefbot.

robbyg · Jan 31, 2020

CuzzA said:
Reefbot.

I wish I could love the Reefbot but..... the list is long!
Also the sales based on forum posts seem to be minimal. No threat to Neptune as far as I can see.

ca1ore · Jan 31, 2020

robbyg said:
It would be shocking to me if they did come out with a new testing system. Right now they are in the money making phase, so I am sure they don't want to dump a whole lot of money into R&D on another testing unit when they really have no competition!

Didn't say now, nor even imply it. Clearly they have to get past their supply issues on the current trident. But, the revenue generating phase of any existing products lifecycle is EXACTLY when you should be doing R&D on new stuff. That’s how you maintain revenue growth. I’d say the success of trident just about guarantees trident 2 within two years. I guess we shall see.

I agree that reefbot is not really serious competition for Neptune, at least not yet. Contender maybe, pretender perhaps. There was early chatter, not much since.

bam123 · Jan 31, 2020

Did you ever get your money back from MINDSTREAM?? That was a pretty painful ordeal...

robbyg said:
I wish I could love the Reefbot but..... the list is long!
Also the sales based on forum posts seem to be minimal. No threat to Neptune as far as I can see.

GK3 · Jan 31, 2020

45ZoaGarden said:
And either way, a “brewing announcement” could be for something stupid like a black trident. Oooooo color choices. I’m mesmerized ;Hilarious

I’d take a black trident over what the announcement actually was lol

robbyg · Feb 1, 2020

bam123 said:
Did you ever get your money back from MINDSTREAM?? That was a pretty painful ordeal...

Yes they refunded me. The only painful part was not getting a unit and the company being in limbo.

DarkSky · Feb 1, 2020

CuzzA said:
Ahh, the poor newbie who buys that will be buying an Apex twice once he realizes he can't do much with that.

Former Apex Jr. Owner.

This isn't much of a disadvantage as you can buy an EB832 and have a regular Apex EL. Much for the same price, except you get two free float switches here.

Ippyroy · Feb 1, 2020

Amado said:
I think this is very good for Neptune. You have a lot of people that can’t afford the $800 for the full system. What I don’t understand is why didn’t they add a 4 port power strip like the apex JR.

This is a big f-u to all the other distributors of Neptune products. They already have very small margins and I am also sure everyone is tired with not having inventory of trident or reagents.
If I was a LFS I would be clearing out the Neptune product wall. Let BRS sell it.

I sure Neptune is also not happy that saltwater.com is selling other controllers.
BRS only sells Neptune.

It is a limited test run. They sold around 150 total units. The people who purchased them are basically part of a test to see how much of a demand there is for a monitoring system at a lower price point than for a full blown controller. It would actually help out the LFS by allowing them to be able to carry a lower priced monitoring system. If it is successful and the buyers respond positively, it could become available everywhere next summer.