The Real.... And The Not So Real

jimsflies · Jan 29, 2009

reefpets said:
I agree with you, I get different morphs all of the time. But, we are not talking morphs we are talking look alikes. The PPRPE is a morph of the PE but are known as two different coral.
All I am showing is the Purple Hornet and the Lemon Drop which is being sold as a Purple Hornet. People on here have the Purple Hornets under different lighting and they are still Purple Hornets. I have seen Juniors (I think under T5) and they are still Purple Hornets. Marv has them also (not sure of his lighting) and they are still deep Purple.
They are two different polyps. One is dull purple and the other is deep purple. People Eaters are basically the same but different colors, same applies here.

Tank conditions (lighting, nutrients, flow, etc.) make a lot of difference with regard to coral coloration. Purple is one of the most finicky colors in my experience. For example, I have purple deaths that are all part of the same colony, and some are very intense purple while others are dull. The mere angle of the polyp on the rock relative to the light causes them to be different. I'm not saying you are wrong that they could be different, but I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it.

TyreeUM · Jan 29, 2009

but your "purple hornets" and your "lemon drops" have the exact same pattern, just one is darker in color-we arent talking about adding a new pattern with different lighting (which I have seen happen though) for isntance...if you were to remove color and have a black and white shot of the two you have-they would look identicle...if you did that with pprpe and ppe they would still look different...I think thats what we are all trying to say...

Reef Pets · Jan 29, 2009

Yeah, if you alter anything it makes it look different. Reef keepers do not commonly use 6500K lighting or black lights. So, we go by what we see in our tank.
Oh well, I posted the photo so that people that have questions can see the difference. I can see it clearly, on the screen and more so in person. Most polyps are the same in general. What make or break them are the colors.

flricordia · Jan 29, 2009

reefpets said:
I completely agree, they do morph and when they do they are known as a different zoanthid. Am I wrong about this?? The morphs are what people hope for. In this case, Purple Hornet and Lemon Drop. The morph is what makes them different........

Actually no. Just because a polyp morphs does not make it a different type. It just becomes a morph of the original polyp type. Morphing seems to occur dominantly in zoanthus. Palythoa and protopalythoa usually stay within the same colors though some can grow an overabundance of xoozanthallee and 'brownout'.
But I do agree when it boils down to it, blue is blue and purple is purple. Change lighting and they stay blue or they stay purple...well, you have what you have and nothing can change that.
The only true blue what is misnamed Purple Hornet I have seen, do not have purple inside of the ring a the mouth. but I am no expert by any means.

Reef Pets · Jan 29, 2009

Just one more example that I can think of. Purple Death and Nuclear Green palys. They are the same paly but different colors. The green will most likely not change to purple and the Purple most likely will not change to green. Yes, those two are completely different colors unlike the two that are pictures. The point that I am trying to show here is that just because one is dull purple and the other a very deep purple does not mean that the dull purple will turn deep purple. This is what makes them different. Not the polyps size, not the pattern but the color. This goes for MANY of the different polyps out there.

Supreme Reefs · Jan 29, 2009

heres a pic of mine also under 250 20k ushio sorry its a bad pic... guessing mine would be lemon drops?

TyreeUM · Jan 29, 2009

nope those look like lemon hornets to me

Reef Pets · Jan 29, 2009

No, I would not say a lemon Drop from the photo, its deep Purple. Compare that to the first photo.

Reef Pets · Jan 29, 2009

In reality it is not a "different" zoa/paly but has different color and many times an alterd pattern. Here is a thread that I posted about a week ago of a morph. Would you call them the same? I would not, thats the great part about morphing.

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16543

flricordia said:
Actually no. Just because a polyp morphs does not make it a different type. It just becomes a morph of the original polyp type. Morphing seems to occur dominantly in zoanthus. Palythoa and protopalythoa usually stay within the same colors though some can grow an overabundance of xoozanthallee and 'brownout'.
But I do agree when it boils down to it, blue is blue and purple is purple. Change lighting and they stay blue or they stay purple...well, you have what you have and nothing can change that.
The only true blue what is misnamed Purple Hornet I have seen, do not have purple inside of the ring a the mouth. but I am no expert by any means.

Hypertek99 · Jan 29, 2009

reefpets said:
Just one more example that I can think of. Purple Death and Nuclear Green palys. They are the same paly but different colors. The green will most likely not change to purple and the Purple most likely will not change to green. Yes, those two are completely different colors unlike the two that are pictures. The point that I am trying to show here is that just because one is dull purple and the other a very deep purple does not mean that the dull purple will turn deep purple. This is what makes them different. Not the polyps size, not the pattern but the color. This goes for MANY of the different polyps out there.

Sorry Nuclear green and purple deaths are not the same palys. You need to compare purple deaths that turn brown and purple deaths that stay purple. I think this thread is just to hype up purple hornets. My opinion is that the lemon drops came along first then someone made the purple hornets popular and soon people are going to realize they are paying high prices for something that has been around. If they are truely rare then why all of a sudden everyone have them on ebay?? I see them popping up like crazy

Supreme Reefs · Jan 29, 2009

cool

flricordia · Jan 29, 2009

TyreeUM said:
nope those look like lemon hornets to me

Reef Pets · Jan 29, 2009

I am not hyping up anything and I never did. I posted the Purple Hornet on eBay and they are what they are. I never marketed them or nothing else. I dont even offer them outside of ebay. This way paople can say that I am ripping people off and so on. People bid what they want to pay. As you can see, they are not offerend on my site and never will be.
Yes, you do see Lemon Drops popping up all over the place.........

Reef Pets · Jan 29, 2009

I am not saying this to be rude in anyway, but if you feel that I am "hyping" up the Purple Hornets then please close the thread.
I thought we were suppose to state facts and share information on this site. Please read my first post, thats all it was, sharing information.......

Hypertek99 said:
Sorry Nuclear green and purple deaths are not the same palys. You need to compare purple deaths that turn brown and purple deaths that stay purple. I think this thread is just to hype up purple hornets. My opinion is that the lemon drops came along first then someone made the purple hornets popular and soon people are going to realize they are paying high prices for something that has been around. If they are truely rare then why all of a sudden everyone have them on ebay?? I see them popping up like crazy

TyreeUM · Jan 29, 2009

white pigment is used naturally to reflet light...I am the one that posted the zoa on coralpedia "alien acne" they are just dragon eyes I blasted with light for a few hours every day for a couple weeks...but they completely look different than a dragon eye with those white dots...your purple hornet and lemon drop look identicle except for one has a little bit darker pigment-and everyone knows how quickly pigment can change intensity by so many factors from light intensity and color spectrum to water chemistry...

Reef Pets · Jan 29, 2009

I agree, it can change, that does not mean that it will. Until change happens one is known as a Purple Hornet and the other a Lemon Drop. Thats all I have trying to say.

TyreeUM said:
white pigment is used naturally to reflet light...I am the one that posted the zoa on coralpedia "alien acne" they are just dragon eyes I blasted with light for a few hours every day for a couple weeks...but they completely look different than a dragon eye with those white dots...your purple hornet and lemon drop look identicle except for one has a little bit darker pigment-and everyone knows how quickly pigment can change intensity by so many factors from light intensity and color spectrum to water chemistry...