The real Black Box light study

[Manose]

Solid numbers for the AS 70 watt light. Especially at 23" How does the color look?

I love the color like a nice crisp blue/white

ASML-02 put out some nice numbers

Yea I was really impressed and quality is dam good

 

[Gino]

Very impressive numbers.

 

[Jeremy nicely]

Hey. It was great to read your research. I met you at coral reef while you where doing your research. Where you able to sell all the lights? My email is [email protected], incase i don't respond back quick.

 

[ReeferReefer]

These cob leds are fantastic. Seems much better.

 

[crusso1993]

Okay was a big work day today and got 2 lights done- Mars Aqua and the 70w ASMl-02 from Aquarium System Solution
The Mars aqua shows why it needs some type of diffuser

This little ASML-02 pendant really shocked me-

That little pendant is nice... And the surprises keep coming!

 

[dantimdad]

Great numbers! Out of curiosity, what is the price of the 70w COB?

The Mars aqua needs the lenses removed first. Then play around with diffusers. Maybe that is my part of this. When I come up, I can mod it real quick and we can remeasure?

Whatcha think?

 

[ReeferReefer]

Great numbers! Out of curiosity, what is the price of the 70w COB?

The Mars aqua needs the lenses removed first. Then play around with diffusers. Maybe that is my part of this. When I come up, I can mod it real quick and we can remeasure?

Whatcha think?

$150 based on my quick search.

 

[dantimdad]

$150 based on my quick search.

Wow! That is looking like a DIY killer right there.

And you all know how much I love to DIY!

If the spectrum is there, I can't see why this and the K7 wouldn't just kill about every other lighting solution that doesn't need modding.

 

[crusso1993]

Great numbers! Out of curiosity, what is the price of the 70w COB?

The Mars aqua needs the lenses removed first. Then play around with diffusers. Maybe that is my part of this. When I come up, I can mod it real quick and we can remeasure?

Whatcha think?

Here's more info on the light...

https://aquariumsys.en.alibaba.com/...uarium_LED_Lighting_Reef_Coral_LED_Light.html

 

[Kampo]

looks like they sell it in 3 sizes

http://www.asaquarium.com/index.php/article/index/id/18/cid/3

spectrum looks pretty solid and aimed at the crowd that likes heavy blue compared to a lot of chinese stuff thats too white

 

[alpinestar]

good stuff @Manose !

 

[Manose]

Hey. It was great to read your research. I met you at coral reef while you where doing your research. Where you able to sell all the lights? My email is [email protected], incase i don't respond back quick.

I haven't tried to sell any of these test lights yet. I am going to have to sell some soon as to have money for more products to test.

These cob leds are fantastic. Seems much better.

Very surprised at what these lights can do.

That little pendant is nice... And the surprises keep coming!

They sure do

Great numbers! Out of curiosity, what is the price of the 70w COB?

The Mars aqua needs the lenses removed first. Then play around with diffusers. Maybe that is my part of this. When I come up, I can mod it real quick and we can remeasure?

Whatcha think?

You can buy them here even tho it is business to business as they will sell to you directly:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-det....galleryofferlist.normalList.2.2f6f6925cXJRT7
To answer your question yes we will do a mod and test again. I look forward to it.

$150 based on my quick search.

Yes but shipping is not cheap around 65-75$ for a couple of lights. Just remember this when ordering any thing from China.

Wow! That is looking like a DIY killer right there.

And you all know how much I love to DIY!

If the spectrum is there, I can't see why this and the K7 wouldn't just kill about every other lighting solution that doesn't need modding.

That is how I am looking at it. The K7 to me is the big 3 killer and this little pendent is perfect for those nano tanks that want big bang on a small tank(even tho it will work on other size tanks)

Guy's what I really need to do is sell some of the doubles of these lights off so we can get more. I bought 2 of everything when I began this study for the redundancy in case something failed.
Four lights we need to test:

Ledzeal lights-Zeus and Alpah120 https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...galleryofferlist.normalList.94.2f6f6925cXJRT7
http://www.ledzeal.com/productlist1-1-.html

The bigger ASML-03 from Aquarium Solution -https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ASML-03-AS-Satellite-Series-LED_60677539847.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.normalList.300.2f6f6925cXJRT7

The smaller evergrow - https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...alleryofferlist.normalList.192.2f6f6925cXJRT7

The Lumini Pixie 150 I have 2 of these so no need in having to buy them.

 

[Lingwendil]

Pretty cool study you have going! Some very interesting contenders for the price too.


Do you have any plans to test out any DIY fixtures as well? It would be interesting to see how some "Evil Cluster" types of builds stack in comparison. I've got a half-finished build that was intended for a smaller frag setup or 40 Breeder, but it doesn't have lenses due to being intended to hang lower to the tank for LPS, not sure how much it would cost to ship, but once it's finished (not likely all that soon, monetary reasons) I would be interested in loaning it out to you to test if you are interested

 

[OllieNZ]

Any chance you can do the dsunny too?

 

[Manose]

Any chance you can do the dsunny too?

It all comes down to money to buy these lights so yes I would love to test these.

Pretty cool study you have going! Some very interesting contenders for the price too.


Do you have any plans to test out any DIY fixtures as well? It would be interesting to see how some "Evil Cluster" types of builds stack in comparison. I've got a half-finished build that was intended for a smaller frag setup or 40 Breeder, but it doesn't have lenses due to being intended to hang lower to the tank for LPS, not sure how much it would cost to ship, but once it's finished (not likely all that soon, monetary reasons) I would be interested in loaning it out to you to test if you are interested

Thank you! I have not looked into the diy realm yet because of the sheer amount of pre-made lights out there. Once we get to a point that we fell that anymore testing is redundant then it might be time to look at the diy options.

 

[dantimdad]

I so wish I still had my big DIY COB light. I sold it. I literally took a picture through a welding mask. LOL!

It was 20 x 10 watt RB around a 50 watt CW on an old Xerox copier heat sink.

I used it for two days over a custom 30" deep tank and was worried it was going to bleach everything. So I sold it to someone who had a 36x36x36 tank

I need to find those pics.

 

[RobZilla04]

Just catching up as I am late to this game. First off, enough thanks simply cannot be bestowed upon you for taking up so much personal time and money for this testing endeavor! Kudos to you.

Couple of questions:

Is the 24x24 test cube set up with salt or fresh water? I may have missed this as I read 29 thread pages quickly.

I noticed the Kessil 360X test had the color set to just below what appears to be 50% color, yet other lights which have mixed color & intensity adjustments, those were tested at 100% (color and intensity). Am I correct or did I mis-read something?

Definitely following along.

 

[Lingwendil]

I so wish I still had my big DIY COB light. I sold it. I literally took a picture through a welding mask. LOL!

It was 20 x 10 watt RB around a 50 watt CW on an old Xerox copier heat sink.

I used it for two days over a custom 30" deep tank and was worried it was going to bleach everything. So I sold it to someone who had a 36x36x36 tank

I need to find those pics.

1x Citizen CLU028 4000k, 97 CRI neutral white (https://www.digikey.com/short/qt0pp1)
1x Luxeon K16 royal blue (equivalent to 4x luxeon M, or 16x Luxeon ES!) (find these on fleaBay, and AliExpress, usually run from $4-6 each, common pricing is 5 for $20 shipped)
4x Luxeon Rebel ES true cool blue (470-480nm)
2x Luxeon Rebel ES cyan (one each from rapidLED, one from Steve's, not that it makes much difference)
2x SemiLEDs Hyper violet 3.0 (U70 bin, 415-425nm)
1x Luxeon Rebel lime

Royal blue- 61.6w (700mA, 44v, x2 strings)
White- 22.8w (300mA, 38v, x2 strings)
Blue- 18.3w (700mA, 13.08v, x2 strings)
Cyan- 8.1w (700mA, 11.6v)
Violet- 5.2w (700mA, 14.8v)
Lime- 3.78w (700mA, 5.4v)

Luxeon K16, Citizen CLU028, next to a Luxeon Lime on a standard star for comparison (ignore the funky mounting on the white square, that was just for temporary testing) -



Full loadout on a 20" RapidLED heatsink-




Those K16 Royal Blues are no joke ;Wideyed

I was going for a "full spectrum" build that would be adjustable for as much as possible. Project stalled when we moved and never set up the larger tank. It's far too powerful for a 20 long with LPS, and the clusters aren't spaced well for it (it was intended to go over a 40 Breeder or similar)

Maybe I'll finish the drivers and controller wiring and have it ready to go for when the time comes, just need a big enough 48 volt power supply, I have all the drivers already. It would be interesting to see how it compared to commercial offerings in the same power range

 

[RobZilla04]

The Kessil baseline is done.
These numbers represent the Kessil par numbers from 17 different points at a depth of 23.5 inches with intensity at 100% and color as seen in the pic below:

Using these settings we came out with the following par numbers @23.5 and light at 8in above water:

The spectrum can be seen from each of the 17 placements here:


*****ATTENTION*****
Noopsysche wanted a study on their light compared to these manufacturers Hydra 26hd,Kessil a360x, and Radion xr15w g4 pro.
We will compare these lights with each other and post the results, then use those numbers as a baseline for our main black box study.
Consider this a test within a test then we will get to the main study.

Okay was a big work day today and got 2 lights done- Mars Aqua and the 70w ASMl-02 from Aquarium System Solution
The Mars aqua shows why it needs some type of diffuser

This little ASML-02 pendant really shocked me-

To reference my post above, here you can see both light fixtures have individual adjustments for color & intensity. Just curious if they were indeed tested fairly with both knobs turned all the way up, or both in relative position as shown in the 360X test....

 

[Manose]

Just catching up as I am late to this game. First off, enough thanks simply cannot be bestowed upon you for taking up so much personal time and money for this testing endeavor! Kudos to you.

Couple of questions:

Is the 24x24 test cube set up with salt or fresh water?

I noticed the Kessil 360X test had the color set to just below what appears to be 50% color, yet other lights which have mixed color adjustments those were tested at 100% (color and intensity). Am I correct or did I mis-read something?

Definitely following along.

The cube has saltwater @ 1.025 and I set the 360x to what was pleasing to the eye as it uses Kessil logic in order to make the correct spectrum. In order to really adjust the spectrum ideally a spectralx controller would be needed.