The real Black Box light study

Manose · Jan 18, 2019

Lowell Lemon said:
You are essentially selling used products so you should be able to list them in the Equipment for sale section and maybe link them to this thread. Might have to check with the Mods for the link.

Yea I need ask the mods about this

lancesmith1 · Jan 19, 2019

Personally, I would not see an issue with selling them here.

Manose · Jan 19, 2019

lancesmith1 said:
Personally, I would not see an issue with selling them here.

I messaged a mod @Crabs Mcjones and asked him if we could do this.

Crabs McJones · Jan 19, 2019

Manose said:
I messaged a mod @Crabs Mcjones and asked him if we could do this.

Working on it

I'll be back to you with an answer shortly

Pinky80 · Jan 19, 2019

Manose said:
Okay was a big work day today and got 2 lights done- Mars Aqua and the 70w ASMl-02 from Aquarium System Solution
The Mars aqua shows why it needs some type of diffuser

This little ASML-02 pendant really shocked me-

Wow, this ASML-02 spanked that Kessil, which I would have thought would have been the benchmark for COB lighting. I like this little Chinese guy, haha. I have a seneye too, so I'm familiar with the charts it projects. Is there any chance you might have the spectrum charts of this ASML-02? If not, I'll live. I'm just excited to see these low budget runners meeting and out-performing the big name guys. Wow! I am eager to see the numbers of the bigger one Aquarium Solutions Systems makes too, the ASML-03 and if that can really give as good a numbers as this ASML-02 but with the bigger coverage as they brag. If this thing can do the 100x110 cm like it says without much of a drop in PAR at the outer edges like this ASML-02 can, then I'll be really impressed and putting in an order. Again, your testing of these lights is HUGELY appreciated!!!

Manose · Jan 19, 2019

Pinky80 said:
Wow, this ASML-02 spanked that Kessil, which I would have thought would have been the benchmark for COB lighting. I like this little Chinese guy, haha. I have a seneye too, so I'm familiar with the charts it projects. Is there any chance you might have the spectrum charts of this ASML-02? If not, I'll live. I'm just excited to see these low budget runners meeting and out-performing the big name guys. Wow! I am eager to see the numbers of the bigger one Aquarium Solutions Systems makes too, the ASML-03 and if that can really give as good a numbers as this ASML-02 but with the bigger coverage as they brag. If this thing can do the 100x110 cm like it says without much of a drop in PAR at the outer edges like this ASML-02 can, then I'll be really impressed and putting in an order. Again, your testing of these lights is HUGELY appreciated!!!

I will put up the charts after I grab them from the testing pc. Give me a day or so.

savoyard · Jan 20, 2019

crusso1993 said:
Price point on the ASML-03 is about $300. Not a bad price point at a roughly 40"x 40" coverage area. There is the shipping cost concern too as @Manose mentioned previously.

Great thread! Would three ASML-02's cover a 72x24x24 tank? Looking forward to the test on the 03s.

crusso1993 · Jan 20, 2019

savoyard said:
Great thread! Would three ASML-02's cover a 72x24x24 tank? Looking forward to the test on the 03s.

It really depends on what you have in the tank and how far on the outer edges you have coral. I'd think 3 would be sufficient for most set ups with exception to heavily stocked SPS all the way to the edges. Then you'd probably want to consider 4.

Manose · Jan 20, 2019

here are the ASML-02 spectrum charts from Seneye:

Manose · Jan 20, 2019

I was told that lights could not be sold here only in the marketplace. We will obey the rules and maybe post them for sale in the marketplace or somewhere else away from R2R, I'll decide in the next few days on what to do.
In the meantime we will have to wait and get some more lights to test after the Chinese holiday Jan 26 till Feb 18th.
Ledzeal contacted me back,

I have the Pixie 150 from Lumini that I will take down to the shop next week and get numbers on it.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/LuminiAqua-Pixie-150-150w-LED-Aquarium_60548645948.html

OllieNZ · Jan 20, 2019

Manose said:
I was told that lights could not be sold here only in the marketplace. We will obey the rules and maybe post them for sale in the marketplace or somewhere else away from R2R, I'll decide in the next few days on what to do.

I understand that sales need to be in the marketplace but is there anything stopping you linking the sales threads either in the first post or in your signature?

Manose · Jan 20, 2019

OllieNZ said:
I understand that sales need to be in the marketplace but is there anything stopping you linking the sales threads either in the first post or in your signature?

Not sure if they even allow that and I don't want to press my luck, I bet more than a few people out there would like this thread to go away.
On a bright note I did find a new light we need to test-
https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...mable-Wifi-Control-Saltwater_60822949321.html

Product Features:
1.High efficient Cree LEDs

2.6 channels Wi-Fi control  Self-developed dimming technology

3.Support rack mounting and hanging kits(Both are included)

4.Support the control via iOS, Android and Windows systems  Intelligent temperature control fans with low noise and long life span

5.Up to 24 programmable time period, perfect simulation effect of sunrise and sunset

6.A swanky spherical form, with professional glossy finish and great colored accents

7. Wirelessly controllable through the software and support multiple units control

8.20 high efficiency 3w/5w diodes which are grouped together behind a custom lens

9.Cluster for optimal blending of LED colors

LED Layout.
Schematic Diagram of Rack Mounting:

Channel A : Cree White 5pcs

Channel B : Cree Royal blue 5pcs

Channel C : Cree Blue 5pcs

Channel D : Epileds Violet 3pcs

Channel E : Cree Red 1pcs

Channel F : Cree Green 1pcs

Jonathan Troutt · Jan 20, 2019

I have a feeling this information is going to cause some better competition in the world of reef lighting. Providing data that shows that sub $200 lights can keep up with $700-800 lights. It’s a fact that has been known because of personal experience from people but now there is hard data to back it up.

This information needs to reach the right people and needs to be pushed out there to help facilitate change.

Now if we could get some in tank pumps like the gyre or the vortec pumps that didn’t cost $300 bucks.........

That being said we as reefers are responsible for the markups that exist because we choose to pay that markup. And while for people that have a high amount of disposable income this doesn’t matter, those that don’t suffer because of this. There should always be an affordable option that performs well. It helps keep prices in check and fuels innovation through competition.

There will always be people that will buy the so called top of line best “brand” available regardless. Cost is a limiting factor in this hobby and keeps a lot of people out of our hobby. I know when I was first interested many years ago the cost of lighting alone kept me from setting up a tank. Now that there are more affordable options I am enjoying reefing.

@Manose you doing this could be responsible for bringing many people into this hobby I hope you know that.

crusso1993 · Jan 20, 2019

Manose said:
I was told that lights could not be sold here only in the marketplace. We will obey the rules and maybe post them for sale in the marketplace or somewhere else away from R2R, I'll decide in the next few days on what to do.
In the meantime we will have to wait and get some more lights to test after the Chinese holiday Jan 26 till Feb 18th.
Ledzeal contacted me back,

That is most unfortunate. One cool thing about Ledzeal is their willingness to work with the customer and swap out LEDs to customer specifications.

I have the Pixie 150 from Lumini that I will take down to the shop next week and get numbers on it.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/LuminiAqua-Pixie-150-150w-LED-Aquarium_60548645948.html

Did someone say, "Pixie?"

crusso1993 · Jan 20, 2019

Manose said:
I was told that lights could not be sold here only in the marketplace. We will obey the rules and maybe post them for sale in the marketplace or somewhere else away from R2R, I'll decide in the next few days on what to do.
In the meantime we will have to wait and get some more lights to test after the Chinese holiday Jan 26 till Feb 18th.
Ledzeal contacted me back,

I have the Pixie 150 from Lumini that I will take down to the shop next week and get numbers on it.
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/LuminiAqua-Pixie-150-150w-LED-Aquarium_60548645948.html

That's unfortunate about Ledzeal. A nice option they offer the customer is to switch out LEDs to match what the customer wants in their light.

GrantR · Jan 20, 2019

Would there be interest in testing an Ocean Revive t247 and it's comparison to the Mars light?

Manose · Jan 20, 2019

GrantR said:
Would there be interest in testing an Ocean Revive t247 and it's comparison to the Mars light?

Really would like to test the OR t247 as part of this series, and we will test it as soon as we get our light budget in check.

Pinky80 · Jan 20, 2019

Manose said:
here are the ASML-02 spectrum charts from Seneye:

Thank you for posting the Seneye charts. This really impressive as well as the PAR charts you made. I really can't get over how well this light does. I figure, even if it only lasts 2 years, I'm still money ahead versus a big name unit.

Scdell · Jan 20, 2019

I've been watching this thread. Y'all are so biased toward cheap Chinese lights. You're overlooking many things. Par is not the most important thing. There is spectral quality, the amount of channels available. Type of LEDs used, etc, etc. Then there's the amount of r&d the big boys do to make the lights correct. R&d cost money. The Chinese aren't doing that. R&d is what your paying for. I know what par my lights put out and it's way better than what ever I've seen here. And I know I'm going to get flamed here. It's my opinion. That's all. That's why I'm going to leave this thread. Test your chinese lights against the "big" boys. Kessils a360we is no longer the big boys.

Kampo · Jan 20, 2019

Scdell said:
I've been watching this thread. Y'all are so biased toward cheap Chinese lights. You're overlooking many things. Par is not the most important thing. There is spectral quality, the amount of channels available. Type of LEDs used, etc, etc. Then there's the amount of r&d the big boys do to make the lights correct. R&d cost money. The Chinese aren't doing that. R&d is what your paying for. I know what par my lights put out and it's way better than what ever I've seen here. And I know I'm going to get flamed here. It's my opinion. That's all. That's why I'm going to leave this thread. Test your chinese lights against the "big" boys. Kessils a360we is no longer the big boys.

I don't think it's a bias against the big Boys honestly I think the big boys are not innovating anymore and there spectrums are easily copied.

Honestly think nanobox prolly has the best commercial spectrum on the market, and he is far from a big guy