The reefbuilders article on the captive tangs with HLLE

[brandon429]

https://reefbuilders.com/2016/03/10/would-you-pay-a-hundred-dollars-for-this-yellow-tang/

I don't have fb or would have posted there

To me the final say is this:
Too early a release date. The for profit breeding program is complete when these fish carry no automatic red flags regardless of origin or rarity nobody is debating the leaps it took to get here. If their captive environment being too clean was the cause go ahead and fix that and don't sell yet.

Show me these guys in any science journal or blog review where nothing is for sale, but the techniques of propagation are reviewed and the challenges reviewed and the HLLE is just a last steps to fix challenge.

Releasing a product for sales is different, a defective product is currently being sold and that's no slight to the technique of getting them to reproduce it's the optional business model chosen based on desired release date

Every iPad I ever bought looked like a freaking corvette in the box no excuses, and all I can say in hindsight is thank you for not releasing me your beta versions where X compromise was the trade off for early release. This isn't meant to start the pc guru flame lol it's the embodiment of corvette vs excuse, since you stepped in the marketing side that's fair critique. If tang shopping, I'd still opt for usual but how harsh to say as just the consumer who isn't doing the lab work, acknowledged. Since sales is the goal now, all fair game you just released diseased fish in a world of corvette competitors.

The RB article is alluding to the higher bar.
if first release was HLLE free imagine the market shares you'd have picked up. Could have left nothing on the table as an option too.

If these fish were donated to labs or universities or aquarists for further tuning, that HLLE wouldn't be a negative aspect for me--wouldn't dare critique it sitting here on my couch. But I'm sitting here typing on a corvette you did compromise.

 

[reefwiser]

All of the Yellow tangs that QM and Segrest Farms got where already promised to Public Aquariums and people Like Julian Sprung. They are so young yet I know they have had proper nutrition. The yellow tang research project was never about selling tangs to the public it was about the research to crack the feeding issue of the fry to get them to settle and become full fledge fish . It will be private enterprise that would bring these fish to market. I am sure we will see more pictures of these fish as they develop over the years. I hope we see designer Tangs like the clown fish currently and Gem Tangs an other rale tang variants.

 

[Elegance Coral]

I don't have much of an issue with these fish having HLLE. Especially at such an early stage in this research. The leap that was made to captive breed these fish is astounding. It's unbelievable to me that they actually accomplished it. In comparison, fixing the problem that's causing the HLLE issue seems minuscule. I'm sure these breeders had to face, and overcome, many many challenges just to get to this point. It's sad to me that all their hard work, and such a monumental accomplishment, is being over shadowed by the last hurdle they need to cross.

I'm glad that they are distributing these fish to experienced people around the country. The effects of HLLE can be reversed, to varying degrees. These fish are very young. Young animals have an incredible ability to heal. It's yet to be seen, how much of this issue will scar the fish and remain with it throughout its life, and how much of it will heal. By distributing this fish, like they are, they can be placed into healthy environments, with healthy diets, and monitored for years to come. Perhaps there's something to be learned here???? We would never know if they simply culled these fish and started over.

I don't think its fair to persecute the people that accomplished this, due to the fish having HLLE, when most of the captive bred clowns being produced today are deformed. We've been breeding clownfish for decades, and still can't seem to get it right, yet people rarely have anything negative to say about the breeders producing these defective fish.

JMHO
Peace
EC

 

[Mike in CT]

I thought the article was unnecessarily harsh knowing how groundbreaking this is.
I have a tang that recovered from hole in the head, and while he does not look perfect, he is over 13 years old and is as happy as any fish I have seen.

 

[revhtree Verified Admin]

RB links are cool here at R2R!

 

[brandon429]

in not taking the easy fix channels you mentioned ECoral they seemed to have went for the dollar before the bar was set high. It may not be possible to consider the two events separately, the science of rearing vs the choice to sell vs donate...but I saw it that way.


And in pre retort, sales prices are factored by what people are willing to pay and if the demand is 140.00 per fish as is, solely because they are cultured, then charge it. The payers are not currently minding the HLLE or the price wouldn't be 100. Can't fault anyone for selling fish where there is a demand, but they then become open to critique and to me it was a lower bar... they should have just corrected it first and given no critique possible. My opinion means nothing lol basically my position was the RB article was on point to point out the options of sell in that condition or not. Amazing accomplishment x10