The Opinionated Reefer
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It comes in a tiny bottle and cannot be used via a dosing pump.
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Dennis Cartier
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The shipping bottle, with the hand pump, may not be dosing pump friendly, but it can certainly be used with a dosing pump. I fill a 60 ml syringe that my peristaltic pump pulls from every day to daily dose it. I re-fill about once a month.
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Max dose is not a suitable way to compare potency unless identical criteria are used to set the max dose. Since neither company says how they set a max dose, I do not think we know anything about the relative potency.
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I do not know the answer to that, but my opinion is that neither product is likely better than a DIY of either vodka, or vinegar, or a combination of those two. There is certainly no clear data supporting them to be better.
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FWIW, TM seems pretty cautious in other max dose recommendations, such as with All for Reef,, for which the max dose is not enough for many aquaria, and is really not a safe max dose, just a recommendation to avoid problems from folks who assume that if a little is good, more must be better.
The Opinionated Reefer
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I have used TM Elimi NP in the past and it is definitely more concentrated than Nopox. A very small dose of it (0.5ml per day) over the period of a month completely messed up my tank. It sunk the nutrients far too low and it took months for the sps to colour back up.
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Yeah but i meant your not supposed to water it down or leave it exposed to air etc
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Maybe. That observation does not convince me.
NOPOX cannot get a lot more concentrated, though one might possibly make it 3 x more concentrated. NOPOX is roughly one part vinegar, one half part vodka and one half part water. Max that one could possibly make such a formula is a bit under 4x as concentrated, and that would have zero water in it and would be more expensive to manufacture.
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TM claims it's not the same as nopox though, they claim it is more engineered for a high phosphate low nitrate situation and that it has a much bigger effect on phosphate than the likes of nopox.
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Yes, I agree that it is a different composition. They say it is a polyalcohol, but the amount of organic in it is limited as I said above, no matter what it is. Is it viscous?
TM has lots of assertions about their various products, but provide no evidence that it is usefully true. The fact that this one is "designed" for tanks with a low nitrate to phosphate ratio is one of those. Does it actually reduce phosphate relative to nitrate more than other types of organic carbon? Showing data, or even providing a proposed mechanism would be more convincing than just asserting it.
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It is quite runny with only a small amount of stickiness. Doesn't smell like nopox
Dennis Cartier
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It is a little more viscous than NoPox, but not markedly so. It has a slippery, yet sticky consistency that gives me the impression it is sweet. Though I have not tasted it!
When I pull it into my syringe for re-fills, it takes a lot more force than typical. Though I suspect that may be related to the sticky aspects.
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OK, thanks, so my expectation is that it cannot be a pure organic chemical (such as glycerol) because any polyol will be very viscous when pure. Thus, I doubt it is a lot more potent than NOPOX on a weight basis.
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Yeah the TM product has no smell at all to me at least. NoPox smells like straight vinegar once you open the bottle.
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I actually poured the 200mL bottle of the TM into a clean 500ml bottle of NoPox. Seems to be working just fine. I don't think I would have been able to remember to dose manually everyday.
