To quarantine fish but not corals?

stevo01 · Dec 8, 2016

Denisk said:
Man... some of you guys are getting really into this which is great! However the answers are really directed towards me. I think this was brought up more for just a friendly discussion/ tell your personal experiences. I should have worded it better. Oops

You getting more than what your paying for

melypr1985 · Dec 8, 2016

OK. I"m not saying these are the fish purchased from me that get sick the most... but just in my experience from work and here and do not just include ick, but velvet, infections and Brook:

Worst: Acanthurus Tangs, Butterflies, Dwarf Angels, Anthias, and believe it or not Clowns
Best: Mandarins, Wrasses in general, Eels, Cardinals, Gobies ( not all wrasses included in the "general" statement like leopards ect)

stevo01 · Dec 8, 2016

Denisk said:
Yeah that's why I brought this up. I also wanted to see if people have luck otherwise and just don't quarantine anything. I hear so many who spend all this time quarantining fish but then I think to myself, is there a point if you don't quarantine your corals. I always dip my corals and even there, you take a gamble with certain eggs that were carried in that you could have missed.

A story for you. Its why I have great love and deep trust in my LFS. I have not QT'd one fish or coral to date. Have never had ich/velvet/brooklyn ect. I would not promote this habit therefore I dont talk about it. That said, I plan on buying expensive fish for my RS. My LFS is working closely with me and I will be QT'ing all the fish here on out, due to more susceptible species. Hence that technical question to Meredith.

stevo01 · Dec 8, 2016

melypr1985 said:
OK. I"m not saying these are the fish purchased from me that get sick the most... but just in my experience from work and here and do not just include ick, but velvet, infections and Brook:

Worst: Acanthurus Tangs, Butterflies, Dwarf Angels, Anthias, and believe it or not Clowns
Best: Mandarins, Wrasses in general, Eels, Cardinals, Gobies ( not all wrasses included in the "general" statement like leopards ect)

There is certainly no aguement about all of those being spot on. Thanks!

Denisk · Dec 8, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Yes we keep mandarins and sand burying wrasses in our coral systems. Sometimes very expensive fish will live in one, which is stupid in my opinion, but I'm not in charge so meh.

Oh I'm not offended in anyway. I have gone through it myself. I lost 7 fish due to velvet. Seeing my tank empty for 72 days felt like forever. I just wanted to hear what others felt about the subject.

Josett Waid · Dec 8, 2016

Denisk said:
Oh I'm not offended in anyway. I have gone through it myself. I lost 7 fish due to velvet. Seeing my tank empty for 72 days felt like forever. I just wanted to hear what others felt about the subject.

Sorry that I misunderstood the thread.. I'm so sorry you had to go through that too.. it sucks. But I hope more chime in and write from their experiences, I know many others have gone through the same things. And personally just from joining r2r I've learned sooo much and I've appreciated everything that everyone has acknowledged me on in many aspects of the hobby.

stevo01 · Dec 8, 2016

Very sorry for your losses @Denisk

Denisk · Dec 8, 2016

stevo01 said:
Very sorry for your losses @Denisk

No worries, it was a while ago. It happens and it was my own mistake. I think the hardest part for me was to catch the coris wrasse when I needed to get the remaining fish out the tank. It was by far the hardest fish to get out.

stevo01 · Dec 8, 2016

How did yu get him out?

Denisk · Dec 8, 2016

stevo01 said:
How did yu get him out?

After spending a week trying every method that I found on this forum. I ended up have to drain the water and remove rock and find him in the sand. It was a nightmare lol.

stevo01 · Dec 8, 2016

Denisk said:
After spending a week trying every method that I found on this forum. I ended up have to drain the water and remove rock and find him in the sand. It was a nightmare lol.

Wow I bet it was!

justingraham · Dec 8, 2016

@melypr1985 i heard rabbit fish are hardy as well that true?
And I too have this question but not about frags about refugium algea. U think that the algea could bring in ick or disease?

melypr1985 · Dec 8, 2016

justingraham said:
@melypr1985 i heard rabbit fish are hardy as well that true?
And I too have this question but not about frags about refugium algea. U think that the algea could bring in ick or disease?

Weeeelllll.. Rabbitfish arn't going to be in either the "hardiest" or the "most delicate" categories. They will be somewhere in between.

Yes, macro algaes can bring in disease but mostly in the water that they come with. A quick and thorough rinse in a bucket should help you out in that department. It would wash away any parasites in the water and that water should be chucked.

Denisk · Dec 8, 2016

justingraham said:
@melypr1985 i heard rabbit fish are hardy as well that true?
And I too have this question but not about frags about refugium algea. U think that the algea could bring in ick or disease?

Definitely. I think that's one people forget about when they go on their local forum or even Craigslist and get some free Chaeto, not realizing that there might be something with it.

cohlton · Dec 8, 2016

Question, if you were to remove the frag from the plug or scrub the plug with a tooth brush would this help prevent ich/parasites from entering the dt?

melypr1985 · Dec 8, 2016

cohlton said:
Question, if you were to remove the frag from the plug or scrub the plug with a tooth brush would this help prevent ich/parasites from entering the dt?

Depend on the frag for sure. I doubt scrubbing it would get all of the tomonts. It only takes one missed to ruin your day and your fish's day. ick can create a cyst on any hard surface including coral skeletons and hermit crab shells. I don't recommend relying on this alone.

justingraham · Dec 8, 2016

melypr1985 said:
Depend on the frag for sure. I doubt scrubbing it would get all of the tomonts. It only takes one missed to ruin your day and your fish's day. ick can create a cyst on any hard surface including coral skeletons and hermit crab shells. I don't recommend relying on this alone.

So on the same note how can u say that rinseing out cheto will be ok?? Just wondering what the difference is ?

Denisk · Dec 8, 2016

cohlton said:
Question, if you were to remove the frag from the plug or scrub the plug with a tooth brush would this help prevent ich/parasites from entering the dt?

I have heard of many who immediately cut their sps at the base. However as I'm sure others will say, it will still be a gamble at the end of the day. The whole point of the 72 day quarantine is that nothing would survive such as ich or other diseases to enter the display.

melypr1985 · Dec 8, 2016

justingraham said:
So on the same note how can u say that rinseing out cheto will be ok?? Just wondering what the difference is ?

because cheato and other macros don't have a hard surface for ick or velvet to attach to and create their cyst. It's like a starfish doesn't have a hard surface for ick to attach to either.... neither would a sea slug.... neither would a loose mushroom ect ect. No hard surface = no tomonts, though you still have to worry about what's in the water they came in, so you (at a minimum) rinse them off thoroughly before adding to the tank.

justingraham · Dec 8, 2016

melypr1985 said:
because cheato and other macros don't have a hard surface for ick or velvet to attach to and create their cyst. It's like a starfish doesn't have a hard surface for ick to attach to either.... neither would a sea slug.... neither would a loose mushroom ect ect. No hard surface = no tomonts, though you still have to worry about what's in the water they came in, so you (at a minimum) rinse them off thoroughly before adding to the tank.

Thank u as this has been bothering me for some time