Tomini Tang Disease Identification

[temple2101]

Looking for help with a definitive ID on what's going on with my Tomini Tang. Has been beautiful and healthy for over 1.5 years, but recently downsized with new live rock and CUC, so thinking I brought something in. I also (stupidly) waited over a month to reconnect my 25W UV. Was going to do a freshwater dip today as I don't have a QT yet. First experience with disease so need to run out this evening for supplies. Thank you!

 

[vetteguy53081]

Looking for help with a definitive ID on what's going on with my Tomini Tang. Has been beautiful and healthy for over 1.5 years, but recently downsized with new live rock and CUC, so thinking I brought something in. I also (stupidly) waited over a month to reconnect my 25W UV. Was going to do a freshwater dip today as I don't have a QT yet. First experience with disease so need to run out this evening for supplies. Thank you!

Oics quite fuzzy but looks like flukes but hard to determone with light shimmer as a couple appear to be ich but absent from fins.
Behaviors- is the fish breathing rapid, twitching or darting, loss of appetitie and even appear to be yawning ?
Is it eating?
If possible, give it a 5 minute freshwater dip in a Clean container preferably dark in the same temperature as display tank.
After 5 mins, return fish to display and look on bottom of bucket for what looks like fish scales or sesame seeds. If you see any, those are flukes. If not, quarantine (anyway) fish and prepare to treat.
For flukes will be PraziPro with added aeration and if ich will be Coppersafe or Copperpower for full 30 days.
I have not expalined dosages yet as we still need to determine which issue you have.

 

[temple2101]

Oics quite fuzzy but looks like flukes but hard to determone with light shimmer as a couple appear to be ich but absent from fins.
Behaviors- is the fish breathing rapid, twitching or darting, loss of appetitie and even appear to be yawning ?
Is it eating?
If possible, give it a 5 minute freshwater dip in a Clean container preferably dark in the same temperature as display tank.
After 5 mins, return fish to display and look on bottom of bucket for what looks like fish scales or sesame seeds. If you see any, those are flukes. If not, quarantine (anyway) fish and prepare to treat.
For flukes will be PraziPro with added aeration and if ich will be Coppersafe or Copperpower for full 30 days.
I have not expalined dosages yet as we still need to determine which issue you have.

Habits seem pretty much normal. No loss of appetite, swimming may be slightly "off," but hard to tell. This started 3 days ago when I noticed some faint, but larger white splotches that I thought may have been from stress. Then yesterday I noticed smaller white dots and today it looks the same (but not worse). All other fish seem to be OK for now, but I did have one of my Lyretail Anthias die in the last hour. I hadn't seen it for a few days, so the same time period as the tang, then I saw it this morning not able to swim right and then it was dead within a couple of hours. No signs whatsoever on the fish that I could tell. I'm not sure if this is purely coincidental or related though as I think it was getting picked on pretty bad by the male (had 2 females and 1 male).

 

[vetteguy53081]

Habits seem pretty much normal. No loss of appetite, swimming may be slightly "off," but hard to tell. This started 3 days ago when I noticed some faint, but larger white splotches that I thought may have been from stress. Then yesterday I noticed smaller white dots and today it looks the same (but not worse). All other fish seem to be OK for now, but I did have one of my Lyretail Anthias die in the last hour. I hadn't seen it for a few days, so the same time period as the tang, then I saw it this morning not able to swim right and then it was dead within a couple of hours. No signs whatsoever on the fish that I could tell. I'm not sure if this is purely coincidental or related though as I think it was getting picked on pretty bad by the male (had 2 females and 1 male).

Loss of another occupant is concerning and may be disease rather than flukes. Need clearer images and even video under white lighting to best ***** and recommend

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Habits seem pretty much normal. No loss of appetite, swimming may be slightly "off," but hard to tell. This started 3 days ago when I noticed some faint, but larger white splotches that I thought may have been from stress. Then yesterday I noticed smaller white dots and today it looks the same (but not worse). All other fish seem to be OK for now, but I did have one of my Lyretail Anthias die in the last hour. I hadn't seen it for a few days, so the same time period as the tang, then I saw it this morning not able to swim right and then it was dead within a couple of hours. No signs whatsoever on the fish that I could tell. I'm not sure if this is purely coincidental or related though as I think it was getting picked on pretty bad by the male (had 2 females and 1 male).

Can you post a short video of the tang? Losing the anthias is troublesome, that may or may not be related.

Jay

 

[temple2101]

Took a video, hope this helps. Thank you!

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Took a video, hope this helps. Thank you!

It's a judgement call, but the tomini may have flukes. It could also be ich - blanching around ich trophonts does happen (more so on other species like emperor angels). Normally, tangs with ich show the typical white, salt sized trophonts with no "halo" of blanching around each spot. Trouble is, the treatment is different for either issue. With ich, there is more often changes in the number of spots - the number of spots will wax and wane and change location over time (days). With flukes, the spots will stay in the same location over a few days.

Sorry to not have a more definitive diagnosis for you.

For ich, you would likely need to isolate the fish (and others probably) to a treatment tank and dose with copper, hyposalinity or chloroquine. For flukes, you could try Prazipro twice, dosed 8 days apart, with good aeration. The Prazipro can be dosed in the display tank itself.

Jay

 

[4FordFamily]

It's a judgement call, but the tomini may have flukes. It could also be ich - blanching around ich trophonts does happen (more so on other species like emperor angels). Normally, tangs with ich show the typical white, salt sized trophonts with no "halo" of blanching around each spot. Trouble is, the treatment is different for either issue. With ich, there is more often changes in the number of spots - the number of spots will wax and wane and change location over time (days). With flukes, the spots will stay in the same location over a few days.

Sorry to not have a more definitive diagnosis for you.

For ich, you would likely need to isolate the fish (and others probably) to a treatment tank and dose with copper, hyposalinity or chloroquine. For flukes, you could try Prazipro twice, dosed 8 days apart, with good aeration. The Prazipro can be dosed in the display tank itself.

Jay

This is exactly what I was thinking. Perhaps both!