Transfer LR but leave the Vermatid's??

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I would like to move some live rock from an established tank to a new tank to help get it cycled and to introduce coralline. Problem is my existing tank and rock is completely covered with vermatid snails. Anybody have a good method to transfer the live rock, kill all the vermatids while not killing all the good bacteria and coralline on the LR? Thanks
 
I don't see away. You would have to cook the rock. Many different ways to do that. Those snails can be on the rock and not even make a tube yet. They even can stick on equipment.
 
I removed all vermited snails from my tank with needle nose pliers.

I bought a new, clean pair.

Reach all the way to the base of the tube, crush and remove.

I removed about 30 or so.

I have not seen one now in 6 months or so.

Doing it outside of the tank when transferring the rock will make it much easier.
 
Since you are transferring it and the rock is not sitting in an established tank, you do have some options. I don't feel manually removing it will be successful in the long term unless you QT and observe for months to make sure no vermatids survived. Even if one makes it then you will have more. You could put it in a tub and treat with a low dose of copper and observe. That should kill ALL inverts/corals/sponges on the live rock, but not the bacteria. If low enough dosage then the coralline will also survive. LR does absorb copper so you will have to run different agents to completely remove it from the rock before you add inverts/corals/sponges. There are threads on here with people treating their DT with copper at levels to kill parasites, then a few months later adding corals and inverts. Making sure the majority of the copper is out of the rocks is always key. Instead of using copper there might be other medication you can use that will wipe out all the inverts without affecting the bacteria and coralline, but I am not aware of them.

Keep in mind killing a lot of inverts will cause ammonia. You know what, why couldn't you dose ammonia? That will still kill all the inverts/corals/sponges but should not affect the beneficial bacteria. No idea what it would do to the coralline.

Might be able to mix up a potent coral dip and let the live rock sit in it. Most dips for corals will not kill vermatids easily, but if the LR is sitting in it for a few days then it might kill them as they exchange internal/external water.

Whatever you do it will have to be relatively extreme to make sure no vermatids make it to the new tank.

This thread has my creative juices flowing. I am almost tempted to pull a piece of LR out of my system and start experimenting on it.
 
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Since you are transferring it and the rock is not sitting in an established tank, you do have some options. I don't feel manually removing it will be successful in the long term unless you QT and observe for months to make sure no vermatids survived. Even if one makes it then you will have more. You could put it in a tub and treat with a low dose of copper and observe. That should kill ALL inverts/corals/sponges on the live rock, but not the bacteria. If low enough dosage then the coralline will also survive. LR does absorb copper so you will have to run different agents to completely remove it from the rock before you add inverts/corals/sponges. There are threads on here with people treating their DT with copper at levels to kill parasites, then a few months later adding corals and inverts. Making sure the majority of the copper is out of the rocks is always key. Instead of using copper there might be other medication you can use that will wipe out all the inverts without affecting the bacteria and coralline, but I am not aware of them.

Keep in mind killing a lot of inverts will cause ammonia. You know what, why couldn't you dose ammonia? That will still kill all the inverts/corals/sponges but should not affect the beneficial bacteria. No idea what it would do to the coralline.

Might be able to mix up a potent coral dip and let the live rock sit in it. Most dips for corals will not kill vermatids easily, but if the LR is sitting in it for a few days then it might kill them as they exchange internal/external water.

Whatever you do it will have to be relatively extreme to make sure no vermatids make it to the new tank.

This thread has my creative juices flowing. I am almost tempted to pull a piece of LR out of my system and start experimenting on it.

I have never had a need to use copper.

But I do believe it will absorb into the rock and that is not good if going into a display with inverts or coral.

Since I am not an user of copper I’m going to ask for some better advice than my own.

#reefsquad
 
I have never had a need to use copper.

But I do believe it will absorb into the rock and that is not good if going into a display with inverts or coral.

Since I am not an user of copper I’m going to ask for some better advice than my own.

#reefsquad

Agreed, do not use copper on rock you want to use again in a non-fishonly tank.
 
Do not use any dips or copper on live rock....it will poison the rock. The only way I could see this happening is to physically remove as much of the vermetids (maybe using a wire brush) and then cook the rock according to Melev's Reef. Here's a video explaining how to cook it, but still keep it live.

 

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