Treating Ich - for specific fish make up

[4FordFamily]

Yes, pics will help with ID but I suspect you may have ich. Unless they're large white blobs it may be lymph which is not uncommon during coperntreatments due to the weakened immune system. Lymph is rather harmless, albeit unsightly sometimes. That's my hope!

 

[Wunderboiy]

Best I was able to get, still think it's ich? Tank is currently dosed with coppersafe at 2.2ml / gallon. I can take pictures of the copper test if we still think it's ich.

Tang also trying to scratch himself on Pvc pipes

https://ibb.co/jGn4CF

 

[Wunderboiy]

This looks like it could be very similar to what was happening in this thread? https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/hippo-tang-symptoms.312271/page-5

Maybe the copper dose is slightly on the high side and making things worse? I'm going to to also start dosing metroplex as well.

 

[Wunderboiy]

The right is coppersafe dosed in 1 gallon of saltwater at 2.1ml / gal. The left if the reading from my QT tank. First picture under fluorescent, second under natural light

 

[ngoodermuth]

I can't make it out too well in the photo, but have you checked for flukes? I have a feeling that might be what's going, but a 5 minute fresh water dip would tell for sure.

 

[Wunderboiy]

I can't make it out too well in the photo, but have you checked for flukes? I have a feeling that might be what's going, but a 5 minute fresh water dip would tell for sure.

It looks pretty similar to the blue tang discussed in this thread https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/hippo-tang-symptoms.312271/page-3, but less severe. I will try a freshwater dip today and see if that helps at all

 

[ngoodermuth]

It looks pretty similar to the blue tang discussed in this thread https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/hippo-tang-symptoms.312271/page-3, but less severe. I will try a freshwater dip today and see if that helps at all

Definitely still try the freshwater dip, even if it is ich or something else it might help give some relief.

There's a great video in this link showing how it's done, and what flukes look like in a fw dip:

Freshwater Dip

https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?threads/Freshwater-Dip.248898/

 

[ngoodermuth]

If it's not flukes, you could also be dealing with a secondary bacterial infection. Those fins look pretty tattered.

 

[Wunderboiy]

If it's not flukes, you could also be dealing with a secondary bacterial infection. Those fins look pretty tattered.

Yeah - it's hard to tell if that was bacterial of from him scratching. I have metroplex on hand, would that be worth starting to dose as well? Can it be done in conjunction with copper?

 

[ngoodermuth]

Yeah - it's hard to tell if that was bacterial of from him scratching. I have metroplex on hand, would that be worth starting to dose as well? Can it be done in conjunction with copper?

I would wait and see what you find in the fw dip. If there's flukes you'll want to take care of those first.

 

[Wunderboiy]

I would wait and see what you find in the fw dip. If there's flukes you'll want to take care of those first.

Did the freshwater dip for 5 mins and didnt see anything fall off, also don't see anything at the bottom of the container. So still stumped

 

[Wunderboiy]

Is it okay to use metroplex and copper at the same time?

 

[Humblefish]

Posting pics shortly. Upon further investigation, these white spots actually seem to be on the outside of the skin, almost hanging on

Your pics look like ich, but being on the outside of the skin doesn't line up with ich. Ich trophonts burrow in under the epithelium (outer skin layer).

 

[Wunderboiy]

Your pics look like ich, but being on the outside of the skin doesn't line up with ich. Ich trophonts burrow in under the epithelium (outer skin layer).

Any thoughts around the test readings? Also, if I am dosing at 2.1ml / gallon - what would cause the copper level to go down in a QT setup?

 

[Asonitez]

How is your Flame Angel doing with the copper treatment?

 

[Wunderboiy]

How is your Flame Angel doing with the copper treatment?

No trouble at all, he's definitely one of the hardiest fish I've had. Had him for 3 years now.

 

[Humblefish]

Any thoughts around the test readings? Also, if I am dosing at 2.1ml / gallon - what would cause the copper level to go down in a QT setup?

The vials under fluorescent light look exactly the same to me; the second pic (under natural light) is a broken link.

 

[Wunderboiy]

The vials under fluorescent light look exactly the same to me; the second pic (under natural light) is a broken link.

As I would expect them to, so the question is.. is the level high enough or do i need to furthur increase? Also, what would cause copper level to decrease in a QT setup from what was a dosed - in the case that is what happened & i just wasnt testing enough.

 

[Humblefish]

As I would expect them to, so the question is.. is the level high enough or do i need to furthur increase? Also, what would cause copper level to decrease in a QT setup from what was a dosed - in the case that is what happened & i just wasnt testing enough.

Your Cu level looks spot on @ 2.0 ppm to me. Absorption by rock, sand, anything with a porous surface (e.g. ceramic rings) can decrease the copper level.

 

[Wunderboiy]

Your Cu level looks spot on @ 2.0 ppm to me. Absorption by rock, sand, anything with a porous surface (e.g. ceramic rings) can decrease the copper level.

Only porous thing i have is a small amount of gravel in a tupperware for melanrus. Anyhoo, thoughts about how to proceed? Do i have a resistant ich strain?

Any also - to my question above, is it okay to dose metroplex in conjunction w/ copper?