Triton ICP results, any insight?

Dubs83 · Jan 5, 2018

And I have yet another ICP results. Wouldn’t mind some insight.

https://www.triton-lab.de/en/showroom/aquarium/auswertung-b/icp-oes/42500/

Tank is 180 gallons of total volume mostly small SPS frags that have really taken off recently. I run recommended triton method but do not use GFO at the moment and I do have a block of marine pure in my sump.

Lasse · Jan 5, 2018

Unwanted heavy metals

Al - probably caused by marine pure Of concern - probably not
La - You do not use GFO - but you have use something else in order to depress the phosphate - and this something content lanthanum chloride. Of concern - probably yes

Macro-Elements

All indicate low salinity of concern - yes/no but good to adjust

Li-Group

Li - probably your salt - of concern - I do not know

I-Group

I - a little to low in my taste but in this case - the taste is like the butt - divided

The rest - IMO - rather OK

Sincerely Lasse

Randy Holmes-Farley · Jan 5, 2018

Salinity looks low, and raising it will boost potassium and magnesium which would be a benefit, and calcium, which is not hurt by rising.

Potassium might need a boost beyond that.

Dubs83 · Jan 5, 2018

Lasse said:
Unwanted heavy metals

Al - probably caused by marine pure Of concern - probably not
La - You do not use GFO - but you have use something else in order to depress the phosphate - and this something content lanthanum chloride. Of concern - probably yes

Macro-Elements

All indicate low salinity of concern - yes/no but good to adjust

Li-Group

Li - probably your salt - of concern - I do not know

I-Group

I - a little to low in my taste but in this case - the taste is like the butt - divided

The rest - IMO - rather OK

Sincerely Lasse

Thanks for your response.

In regards to La, I had my BRS pukani in a bath of RO/DI water and dosed lanthanum chloride to help remove the phosphates pukani is somewhat known for leaching. This was over a year ago though and I’ve done countless of water changes prior to switching to triton. Could the rock be leaching that still a year later?

I’ll adjust for salinity. Thanks again!

Dubs83 · Jan 5, 2018

Randy Holmes-Farley said:
Salinity looks low, and raising it will boost potassium and magnesium which would be a benefit, and calcium, which is not hurt by rising.

Potassium might need a boost beyond that.

Thanks Randy! I’ll work on getting salinity back up. I thought I was reading at 1.024 but I’ll recalibrate everything when I get back home and raise it to 1.026

Lasse · Jan 6, 2018

Dubs83 said:
Thanks for your response.

In regards to La, I had my BRS pukani in a bath of RO/DI water and dosed lanthanum chloride to help remove the phosphates pukani is somewhat known for leaching. This was over a year ago though and I’ve done countless of water changes prior to switching to triton. Could the rock be leaching that still a year later?

I’ll adjust for salinity. Thanks again!

Interesting - and you have not use any liquid super-duper anti-phosphate agents since then? The only source for La as I know is then it is used for phosphorus limitation.

Sincerely Lasse

Dubs83 · Jan 6, 2018

Lasse said:
Interesting - and you have not use any liquid super-duper anti-phosphate agents since then? The only source for La as I know is then it is used for phosphorus limitation.

Sincerely Lasse

The only thing I used was PhosGuard for 3 days or so after my sump went down for 2 weeks in hopes of removing excess phosphate once the return pump came back online. Could this have caused it?

Randy Holmes-Farley · Jan 6, 2018

No, phosguard might boost aluminum, but not lanthanum.

Dubs83 · Jan 6, 2018

Randy Holmes-Farley said:
No, phosguard might boost aluminum, but not lanthanum.

Then I give up!

I feed a variety of food (hikari frozen and pe frozen) and seaweed every other day for the tangs. Occasionally they get black worms as a treat. I’d hope none of that stuff would leach Lathanum.

As far as salt, I use Red Sea blue bucket

So what should I be looking for? Could I expect growth stunt or deaths?

Lasse · Jan 6, 2018

@Sallstrom You use Lanthanum chloride - any thoughts?
@Randy Holmes-Farley do you now any other source for La?

Probably you do need not to look for anything - I´m think its no danger - I´m calling in sallstrom - he works at a public aquarium and use Lanthanum chloride now and then.

Sincerely Lasse

Sallstrom · Jan 6, 2018

Yes we use LaCl(powder we mix with osmos water). But have only seen La once in our ICP-tests(many, for 3 tanks where we use LaCl). And it was only a small amount.
So I have always thought that it reacted fast and didn't stay for long in the water.

Sorry, I wasn't to much help

Maybe it could be from the rocks you treated? Could it be released back from solid form if pH drops?

If La is dangerous or not I can't say for sure. But I know of public aquariums who stopped using it after some fish died. I think they claimed the La effected the gills in some ways. We haven't seen any problems at work, but we are careful and only dose small amounts at the time.

/ David

Dubs83 · Jan 6, 2018

Sallstrom said:
Yes we use LaCl(powder we mix with osmos water). But have only seen La once in our ICP-tests(many, for 3 tanks where we use LaCl). And it was only a small amount.
So I have always thought that it reacted fast and didn't stay for long in the water.

Sorry, I wasn't to much help

Maybe it could be from the rocks you treated? Could it be released back from solid form if pH drops?

If La is dangerous or not I can't say for sure. But I know of public aquariums who stopped using it after some fish died. I think they claimed the La effected the gills in some ways. We haven't seen any problems at work, but we are careful and only dose small amounts at the time.

/ David

I used SeaKlear phosphate remover. Here’s a link to the MSDS

https://media.nat.cm/filer_public/1...4-c2a72d35b15b/sk_phosphate_remover_-_sds.pdf

I soaked all rock in RODI water and dosed SeaKlear to control the rising phosphates in the RODI water. After a few weeks, I rinsed in tap water then soaked in in plain RODI water for a few days.

Set the tank up a few days after it dried. This was about a year ago. I can’t think of any other source of LaCl

Randy Holmes-Farley · Jan 6, 2018

Dubs83 said:
I used SeaKlear phosphate remover. Here’s a link to the MSDS

https://media.nat.cm/filer_public/1...4-c2a72d35b15b/sk_phosphate_remover_-_sds.pdf

I soaked all rock in RODI water and dosed SeaKlear to control the rising phosphates in the RODI water. After a few weeks, I rinsed in tap water then soaked in in plain RODI water for a few days.

Set the tank up a few days after it dried. This was about a year ago. I can’t think of any other source of LaCl

That is likely the source and I wouldn’t worry about it. [emoji3]