Triton Test - Trying out for... SCIENCE!

Randy Holmes-Farley · Oct 30, 2014

Electrobes said:
If anyone watched the Triton Founder's speak at MACNA... one thing super caught my ear. He insinuated that Montipora Digitatas liked an increase Barium level, or that levels in which tanks has a pronounced population of Digis always tend to have Barium at around 0.. He didn't elaborate, but out of sheer curiosity, I am curious to see what it lists at in the test result. I am an evidence-based reefer (Thanks Randy!) and have been so for years, and only take chances outside of evidence when I feel the risk is minimal (Like my use of Acropower).
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No apparent depletion of barium.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Oct 30, 2014

Electrobes said:
Randy, I knew you would ask that, and believe it or not, I have never used an phosphate binders on this aquarium since it's inception.

Huh, well I'm not sure where the aluminum might be coming from.

No aluminum parts in the water, or right above it?

Electrobes · Oct 30, 2014

Randy Holmes-Farley said:
Huh, well I'm not sure where the aluminum might be coming from.

No aluminum parts in the water, or right above it?

None that I am aware of... my system is pretty simple too.

Electrobes · Oct 30, 2014

Would the T5 lights about 3-4 inches above have an effect?

Electrobes · Oct 30, 2014

You know what? I dropped my T5 fixture into the water (about 1/4th of it dipped in) and I immediately took it out. Could that have caused it? Aside from that, I have no other means of putting Aluminum in...

Randy Holmes-Farley · Oct 30, 2014

Electrobes said:
Would the T5 lights about 3-4 inches above have an effect?

I wouldn't think that could be the source of enough aluminum.

Most people show a lot less, and this person was close to yours, but was using a binder:

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/triton-us/179048-my-results-rscp-tank.html

Electrobes · Oct 30, 2014

Well fudge... I don't like unexpected parameters! Sigh.. and I literally have no other explanation aside from it being in my salt or fish food.

H2O · Oct 30, 2014

I see a lot of metal dust in rain water here in nyc it rained last night my white car is almost black the dust sticks to neodymium magnet but it won't rust any idea what it could be also got another question about airplane clouds how is it possible for airplane to make clouds called condinsation or ice crystals in the summer time and the condinsation instead of getting lighter it grows into Cirrus cloud for hours

Randy Holmes-Farley · Oct 30, 2014

Electrobes said:
You know what? I dropped my T5 fixture into the water (about 1/4th of it dipped in) and I immediately took it out. Could that have caused it? Aside from that, I have no other means of putting Aluminum in...

I doubt it. How long ago?

Corrosion wouldn't be that fast. I suppose if these was substantial corrosion on it already that immediately dissolved, that might do it.

Does the tube or fixture look corroded? How's the leather?

At 0.2 ppm, you'd need to add about 75 mg of aluminum to get 100 gallons to that level. Doesn't sound like much, but it isn't just trace dust either.

Electrobes · Oct 30, 2014

I am going to send another test in about a month (or less) just for tracking purposes. The fish and corals look good so far..

Electrobes · Oct 30, 2014

What about the Marine Pure 4x4x8 block? I wonder if that's a liable suspect?

Battlecorals · Oct 30, 2014

Randy Holmes-Farley said:
You're one of the tin people! Don't know what that means yet.

Curious on the aluminum.

Do you use any white phosphate binders?

Me too. Only in one of three systems tested though.The other two were "normal" I thought it may have to do with the ductwork directly over the tank lol. bits of finely rusted duct making its way into the tank? Either way i can rule out anything universal in my case. i did have the high V in all three though.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Oct 30, 2014

H2O said:
I see a lot of metal dust in rain water here in nyc it rained last night my white car is almost black the dust sticks to neodymium magnet but it won't rust any idea what it could be also got another question about airplane clouds how is it possible for airplane to make clouds called condinsation or ice crystals in the summer time and the condinsation instead of getting lighter it grows into Cirrus cloud for hours

Metal dust? Do you live near something that might release metals? That isn't normal.

The condensation from an aircraft comes because it pumps more moisture into the air locally than can be held without condensing liquid water or ice at the temperature of the air. Most of the time such condensation evaporates as it spreads out. If it grows into a clod, it was because the air was already supersaturated at that temperature. That is not all that unusual. As the air cools it can hold less moisture, but unless there are surfaces to nucleate condensation, it is slow to start. The plane condensation can act as such a nucleus.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Oct 30, 2014

High vanadium seems fairly "normal"

If you can believe the results in Ron Shimek's test, all were high:

It's (In) The Water by Ronald L. Shimek, Ph.D. - Reefkeeping.com

H2O · Oct 30, 2014

Thank u I post some pics when i get home I live on shore rd next to a park no factorys around me

Randy Holmes-Farley · Oct 30, 2014

Electrobes said:
What about the Marine Pure 4x4x8 block? I wonder if that's a liable suspect?

Ah, yes, that is a likely culprit.

It doesn't say what the ceramic is composed of, but it is reasonably likely to contain aluminum. It might even mostly be aluminum oxide.

Electrobes · Oct 30, 2014

Well dang, now I am motivated to pull it out. Your thoughts on that move??

Edit: Meh I pulled it out. Thought I feel extra surface area is nice, I am not a fan of elevated aluminum, especially given my one not-Monti is a leather!

H2O · Oct 30, 2014

dust

airplane clouds plus metal dust in the rain

Dreamkeeper · Oct 30, 2014

Ok I received my Triton Test results today, Now what?

Tank Details: Started 07-09-14
- 120G visio (48â€x24â€x25â€)
-40G sump
- Total water volume@ 140 gallons
-Lighting: 54w T5 HO ATI 6x Blue+, 3x Coral+, 1 Purple+
Lights run 2 blue+
8-9 am, all 10 run 9am-6pm, 2 blue+ run 6pm-7pm
- Water Movement: 2 VorTech mp 40â€™s,
- Waveline DC 6000 return pump runs 2 reactors (Carbon and GFO) and flows through Â¼ Hp JBJ chiller @ 500 GPH back to DT
-Additives: I currently dose as needed B-ionic 2 part & Brightwell magnesion-p. 4 drops each of: Zeovit Sponge power, Amino Acid and Coral vitalizer 3 x week.
-Reactors: BRS reactor with 1 cup of GFO & BRS reactor with 1 cup Korallen-Zucht.de Activated carbon both changed monthly.
AquaMax reactor with 1 cup BRS Bio Pellets
- Maintenance: Every 2 weeks:
- 15G water change with Red Sea Pro salt
- RODI -0 tds
- Salinity: 1.025
- Livestock:
Fish:
- Blue/green Chromis (6)
- Banghaii Cardinal (2)
- Lyretail Anthias (1 male, 2 female)
- ORA ocellarus clowns (2)
- Medium Yellow Tang (1)
- Female Leopard Wrasse (1)
- Supermale Linneatus wrasse (1)
- Oblique Dottyback (1)
- Cleaner Skunk Shrimp (1)

Coral: 6 small sps frags, 1 3-4 inch GARF Bonsai colony, GSP, branching GSP, @ 60 Zoa,s, RBTA, @ 15 heads Hammer coral, @12 head Duncan. Various Acans, 3 inch Pink Gonipora colony, various carnations, blue sponges.

Clean Up Crew:
- assorted Hermit Crabs and snails

Feeding: I feed my fish â€œFeeder Fish 5 in 1 comboâ€
3-4 cubes in the morning, 3-4 cubes for dinner. I directly feed my corals, sponges and soft corals Nanochloropsus Phytoplankton, coral frenzy and Cyclop Eeze 3 x per week.

My current test kits (All are Salifert) except for Alkalinity, Calcium and Phosphate They are Hanna Kits.
my tank (Performed 10-30-14)

Alkalinity â€“ 7.8 dKh (This is about normal due to dosing carbon- Bio-Pellets)
Calcium - 420 ppm
Magnesium - 1350 ppm
Nitrates â€“ 2-5 ppm
Phosphate - 0 (according to Hanna kit)
Temp â€“ 77-78
PH â€“ 8-8.3

- Filtration: ASM G2 with Sedra 5000 pump, 3x 4 inch 100 micron filter socks

ingle View for Evaluation ICP-OES

Unwanted heavy metals

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sb[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Ti[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]3.78[/TD]
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Macro-Elements

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[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]440.00 mg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-10.80[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]140[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Mg[/TD]
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[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]400.00 mg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-7.70[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Br[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]67.88 mg/l[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]4.50 mg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]0.06[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]+[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]140[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Sr[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]9.11 mg/l[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]900.00 mg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-50.60[/TD]
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Li-Group

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[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]223.10 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]5.00 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-5.00[/TD]
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[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Mo[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]10.54 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]1.20 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-1.20[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]140[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Zn[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]1.74 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]2.00 Âµg/l[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]I[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]8.80 Âµg/l[/TD]
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Ba-Group

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[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]25.45 Âµg/l[/TD]
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ElementAnalysisSetpointDeviationLODWarning lampGallonsCorrection Dosage / mLMaintaining Dosage / mL[/TR]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Si[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]88.37 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]6.00 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-3.60[/TD]
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[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]140[/TD]
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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]PO4[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]0.007 mg/l[/TD]

Dreamkeeper · Oct 30, 2014

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[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Si[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]88.37 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]6.00 Âµg/l[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-3.60[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"][/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]-
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]140[/TD]
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[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]0.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="bgcolor: transparent"]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]PO4[/TD]
[TD="class: hightlight, bgcolor: #CCDEFD"]0.007 mg/l[/TD]