Tropic marin

[Bramzor]

@Chaswood79 I've used a couple of acetate based supplements in the past, Salifert All in One, and Polyp Lab One, both of which I had to discontinue once demand increased. At the increased dosages I experienced bacterial blooms. This product isn't acetate based but have you seen any excess bacterial growth?

It's a formate so bacterial growth will be there but only a small factor compared to an acetate.

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

@Chaswood79 I've used a couple of acetate based supplements in the past, Salifert All in One, and Polyp Lab One, both of which I had to discontinue once demand increased. At the increased dosages I experienced bacterial blooms. This product isn't acetate based but have you seen any excess bacterial growth?

I haven’t had that experience so far. I used the acetate version ONE from polyp lab for 6 months or so and never had that experience with that product either. I will say that ONE led to lower no3/po4, which I didn’t want. So far I’m really liking the all for reef, but I’ve had to increase the daily dosage again over the last couple days to 40 mls.

 

[bluprntguy]

@Chaswood79 I've used a couple of acetate based supplements in the past, Salifert All in One, and Polyp Lab One, both of which I had to discontinue once demand increased. At the increased dosages I experienced bacterial blooms. This product isn't acetate based but have you seen any excess bacterial growth?

Not sure if I mentioned it in this thread, but I did have to discontinue zeovit for a few months since the All-for-reef and zeovit combo bottomed out my nitrates and phosphates. Everything eventually righted, and I never have seen a bacterial bloom, but this is definitely something to be aware of.

 

[Bramzor]

I found a post on Facebook regarding CarboCalcium which I found very interesting! So here is a quote as I'm still having a hard time how it works exactly although it's explained perfectly.

For all users of Carbo-Calcium and All-For-Reef (and all those who want to become users ): Here is some scientific background from our Tropic Marin laboratory on the question: “why can´t I measure an increase in Ca and Alkalinity after dosing Carbo-Calcium or All-For-Reef in my aquarium?”

Carbo-Calcium and All-For-Reef are extremely effective for “maintaining” the levels of calcium and alkalinity in reef aquariums and somewhat less effective at “raising” those levels to desired concentrations. Consequently, it is recommended to start dosing these products once the desired levels of these parameters are reached. To adjust these parameters individually, we recommend using Tropic Marin Balling Part A for raising the calcium level and Tropic Marin Balling Part B for raising the alkalinity level when needed.

Carbo-Calcium powder is a pure, organic calcium salt (calcium formate Ca(HCOO)2). Calcium formate dissolves in water to form calcium ions (Ca2+) and formate anions (HCOO-). This happens gradually according to the needs in the aquarium. With the recommended daily starting dose of 5 ml of concentrated solution per 100 liters/26 US-gal. of aquarium water, 2.15 ppm of calcium and 4.8 ppm of formate are added to the aquarium water. This small but effective quantity does not result in measurable changes in pH, water hardness and calcium or alkalinity concentration in the aquarium water.

Formate is taken up by microorganisms in the aquarium and metabolized, eventually forming bicarbonates within the coral polyps, and then used to build the calcium carbonate coral skeleton as it grows.

After dosing, the Carbo-Calcium is present in the water column in a form that cannot yet be measured (by common tests at home) and is only broken down in response to the metabolic demands of the corals. Since the metabolic processes in the organisms take place in a controlled manner (supply and demand), the resulting changes in water parameters are so small they are often undetectable.

These products are highly effective at supplying the essential calcium and bicarbonate components that the coral need for growth, even at extremely low concentrations. These supplied compounds “bypass” a stage where they can be detected in the water column and are taken up by the coral polyps directly.

In summary, it can be said that the components for the growth of corals supplied by means of Carbo-Calcium (and All-For-Reef) are not detectable by conventional test kits. We are actively working on a testing method to measure these organic salt compounds in the aquarium at your home, but as of now none exists.

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So the bacteria actually free up the KH over time.

 

[Bramzor]

All in One recipe according to Hans-Werner;
140g CarboCalcium powder
12g Bio-Magnesium
Mix into;
800 ml RODI
Add 100ml A-
Add 100ml K+

Actually "Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral" is mentioned as the powdered version of both A- and K+. So if we are able to translate the 100ml A- and 100ml K+ into x grams of "Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral", we would have a full powder recipe for an All4Reef product at a very low cost. Maybe this would make it cost effective for even bigger tanks?

 

[AcanthurusRex]

Actually "Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral" is mentioned as the powdered version of both A- and K+. So if we are able to translate the 100ml A- and 100ml K+ into x grams of "Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral", we would have a full powder recipe for an All4Reef product at a very low cost. Maybe this would make it cost effective for even bigger tanks?

That would get rid of shipping water.

 

[mattdg]

I used it Tropic Marin Pro for years. It mixed clean and my SPS tanks were happy and healthy, while using it. I recently switched to Red Sea, because I prefer the parameters mixed at 1.025, but Tropic Marin is one of the best salts IMO.

 

[AcanthurusRex]

I used it Tropic Marin Pro for years. It mixed clean and my SPS tanks were happy and healthy, while using it. I recently switched to Red Sea, because I prefer the parameters mixed at 1.025, but Tropic Marin is one of the best salts IMO.

I did the opposite because I was tired of so much of the desert in the mixing barrel.

 

[bluprntguy]

Actually "Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral" is mentioned as the powdered version of both A- and K+. So if we are able to translate the 100ml A- and 100ml K+ into x grams of "Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral", we would have a full powder recipe for an All4Reef product at a very low cost. Maybe this would make it cost effective for even bigger tanks?

That would be awesome. You may not necessarily need to figure out the percentage. Most trace minerals are depleted slower, so you could add those directly to the tank on a weekly basis.

I see this product on their website, but don’t see it for sale anywhere. That might be the first challenge.

 

[Duhnk]

finally got my all for reef and other tropic marin addictives.
so I did an alk test on my tank and it was really high and I had no idea cuz of my bad husbandry.
anyways added some sps and only 1 stressed out. the one that showed signs right away from my guess the alk being so high. btw haven't lost any so far it been a week.
I then did some semi-aggressive water changes once every few days and have brought my alk down from 14.3 to 12.5
im gonna try to keep it around 12.
once ive done this ill start testing to see how much a day my tank is consuming.
then ill dose small amounts of all for reef to see how well the tank does over a few months.

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

finally got my all for reef and other tropic marin addictives.
so I did an alk test on my tank and it was really high and I had no idea cuz of my bad husbandry.
anyways added some sps and only 1 stressed out. the one that showed signs right away from my guess the alk being so high. btw haven't lost any so far it been a week.
I then did some semi-aggressive water changes once every few days and have brought my alk down from 14.3 to 12.5
im gonna try to keep it around 12.
once ive done this ill start testing to see how much a day my tank is consuming.
then ill dose small amounts of all for reef to see how well the tank does over a few months.

12-14 alk???
What is your no3/po4?

 

[LARedstickreefer]

I think that the all for reef product is the perfect way to start with sps corals as it seems that it’s hard to OD the stuff, no?

Eventually the economics just won’t work. The demand should take it to obscene levels.

 

[Bouncingsoul39]

If you guys are ever feeling frisky, give the Tropic Marin Bio-Actif salt mix a try. It will blow your mind and I'm not exaggerating. If I could afford it, I'd always use it.

 

[LARedstickreefer]

If you guys are ever feeling frisky, give the Tropic Marin Bio-Actif salt mix a try. It will blow your mind and I'm not exaggerating. If I could afford it, I'd always use it.

I’m always feeling frisky! What’s the deal with the bio-Actif salt?

 

[Charlie’s Frags]

If you guys are ever feeling frisky, give the Tropic Marin Bio-Actif salt mix a try. It will blow your mind and I'm not exaggerating. If I could afford it, I'd always use it.

Mind blowing in what way?? I’ve used their tropic Marin pro for many, many years and can’t image how any salt could be better

 

[enzo]

Where do you buy your TM.

 

[AcanthurusRex]

im gonna try to keep it around 12.

Best to pick a level that matches the salt you use not an arbitrary value. Only Red Sea Pro has a level that high.

 

[Duhnk]

12-14 alk???
What is your no3/po4?

my po4 was at .83 when i did my first alk test. havent done any other test cuz i ran out of the package poweder stuff for the hannna checker.

 

[Duhnk]

Where do you buy your TM.

brs

 

[Duhnk]

Best to pick a level that matches the salt you use not an arbitrary value. Only Red Sea Pro has a level that high.

right but brs did a video about higher alk and it showed good results at around those levels if i remember gotta rewatch it to make sure.