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Ok, so I have about 14 frag size corals in my tank with the exception of my zoa rock on about a 7”*4”inch piece of live rock. They haven’t been growing and I’m starting to test. This was today’s test result

Alkalinity (9-12)
  • .46ml - 2.4 Meq/L or 6.4dKH
Magnesium (1375-1450ppm)
  • .43ml - 860ppm
Calcium (400-450ppm)
  • .95ml or 475p
I have “A and B, C balance” from two little fishes and my tank is 45 gallons. How much should I be dosing?
Thanks in advance guys. I can’t wait to not sound like a ******.

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Slow and easy, start to bring your alk and mag up. Hold off on calcium until testing indicates a need for it. I'd plan on taking a couple weeks to get your levels up just so that you can take your time and make adjustments as your tank demand changes. Here's a great calculator.

http://reef.diesyst.com/chemcalc/chemcalc.html
 
Sweet. Thanks guys. I’m actually a bit relieved to see it’s off. That gives me hope that I can breathe some life into the tank. By getting the numbers where they need to be.
 
Get them magnesium up first :)

A.

+1 Right. Magnesium must be set properly first, then Alkalinity. These are big moves, so make the changes slowly.

 
Get them magnesium up first :)

A.

FWIW, I do not think there is any chance his magnesium value is accurate at 860 ppm

DO NOT RAISE IT BY MANY HUNDREDS OF PPM without first triple confirming such a wildly unusual reading.
 
OP, what magnesium test are you using? I and many others would recommend the Salifert kit as the most accurate.

One thing about alk dosing: Based on your particular product's instructions, decide how much you're going to add each day (be conservative), and then divide that total amount into several smaller doses that are given throughout the day. This will be more effective at raising your alk and also safer, as compared to one large dose.
 
OP, what magnesium test are you using? I and many others would recommend the Salifert kit as the most accurate.

One thing about alk dosing: Based on your particular product's instructions, decide how much you're going to add each day (be conservative), and then divide that total amount into several smaller doses that are given throughout the day. This will be more effective at raising your alk and also safer, as compared to one large dose.

I did something wrong. I just tested again after dosing Max dose of 1ml per gallon and my magnesium was 1600ppm. I’m using the Red Sea foundation pro test kit.
 
Here are the results from my last test

10.3.18
  • Mg (1376 - 1450)
    • .72ml = 1440ppm
    • No adjustment
  • Calcium (400-450ppm)
    • .89ml = 445ppm
    • No adjustment
  • Alkalinity (9-12)
  • .60ml = 8.4dKH, 3.0 Meg/L
  • (adding 40ml to boost by .5 Meg/Lp
  • 10.5 Test
  • @ .70ml = 9.8dKH or 3.5meq/L (so previous dosing yielding exactly a .5meq/L increase Yes!!!
  • (adding another 40ml to boost by .5 Meq/L) trying to get to 11-12
I’m trying to create an environment where my corals will grow as they did before for a while they were growing expanding at feeding time etc. The light hasn’t changed but I feel like with more corals in the tank I need to keep a close eye on the dosing. Water temp is consistent at 76 degrees. I just started testing and dosing twice per week and target feeding some oyster slip 2/week.
I’m still waiting for my guys to start opening up and spreading but I know it’s only been a week.

Anything else you all may suggest. I know you know more than I do. Thanks!!!!
 
How many gph do you recommend for a tank with mixed corals. I have mystic sunsets, dragon soul favias, zoanthida, frogspawn, and some others that I don’t know what they are.

I’m trying this dosing/monitoring recently because they have not been growing like they did before. I have no idea why because hey were doing great about 6 months ago.
 
Here is another recommendation for you

1.) Focus on learning to measure your water Parameters First. This is the basis. Dosing is perfect,but it makes Sense only if you know your starting point AND your exact parameters several times later. Unfortunately there are several Things one might do wrong with measuring. Starting from inadequate Test Kits to Human errors.
A very good Thing to challenge you and your Test Kits are a so called “reference Solutions” (eg from Fauna Marin)
This is seawater with exactely known Parameters. Measure this with your test Kits.
If you Match this figures with your Equipment you know that your Kits are ok and you measure correctly. If there is a Little deviation this is also normal. Divide the ref.Solutions Desired result by what you measured. Then you use this factor ( correction factor) for Future messurements.
If your results are far of, you at least know you can‘t trust and find out the error (test kit ? Human error?)
So this separately for Ca Alk and Mg

2) Besides Ca, Alk and Mg also salinity measurement is a Must. If salinity is either not where it should be or Not stable, the other Parameters are also Not where they should be

3) 2 more Parameters are absolutely essential for SPS growth. Nitrate and Phosphate. You need to be able also to measure this two ones accurately AND have them in the target corridor. If this is not the case your sps would most likely not grow even at perfect ca alk mg levels.

4) as soon as you adjust everything correctly and are able to maintain for some time, your sps should adapt and then “start to grow”. Your job then is to keep things stable for a longer time. As your sps take up more ca and Alk as they grow faster and faster, you most likely will have to dose more to keep levels in a good range. It is all a matter of well being of this corals. If they feel well they grow, resulting in that you have to react and dose more

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You asked in how much you should dose.
Nobody can really answer your question. It is only a matter of what your corals consume.
- start bringing all parameters to perfect levels
- stop dosing and measure the next days again and again. This tells you what your corals consume. This is what you have to dose for your tank
Typically
Ca: 2..25 Mg/l per day
KH: 0,2 .. 2,5 dKH per day
Mg: 0.. 10 Mg/l per day (normally close to 0)
The amount you need to dose of course is also depending on your systems total water volume.
Bigger tank .... more of the stock solutions to dose

To make things easier for you, you can either use the online calculators already mentioned here. An even Better option is AquaCalculator, a tool me and 2 programmer friends which are also reefers are working on and offering since several years. It contains the exact recipes of all dosing products and salt mixes on the market. It makes calculations super easy. Also it is a fully fledged documentation tool for your tank and more.

Kind rgds and happy reefing
Martin
 
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Awesome tips. I appreciate it. Here are my test results this am. I noticed my nitrates were at 20ppm. A little higher than usual. Is that still ok?

10.6.18


Calcium (400-450ppm)

  • .92ml = 460ppm

Alkalinity (9-12)

  • .72ml = 3.6 = 10.1dKH
  • dose > 40ml to increase .5 dKH
Magnesium (1376-1450)

  • .71ml = 1420ppm

Salinity 1.25


Ph - 8.4

Nitrate - 20ppm

Nitrite & Ammonia - 0 ppm
 
Nitrate at 20mg/l (or ppm) is a bit high, but not critical for SPS growth
What about phosphate / PO4?
 
I did something wrong. I just tested again after dosing Max dose of 1ml per gallon and my magnesium was 1600ppm. I’m using the Red Sea foundation pro test kit.

Many folks have problems with the Red Sea magneisum kit. I'd just stop testing magnesium. :)
 
Nitrate at 20mg/l (or ppm) is a bit high, but not critical for SPS growth
What about phosphate / PO4?
Hey Martin,
I don’t have a phosphate test but last I checked at the lfs about 2 weeks ago....it was on the money.
 
Do yourself a favor and get a good PO4-Test yourself & try to adapt especially this value if it is not perfect. < 0,1 mg/l as base line or even <0,05 mg/l but anyhow >0 should be your target for „good“. Whatever any store should tell you

nice water flow in your tank & keeping bacteria population in a healthy range & avoiding huge accumulations of LR (especially if holding the risk of PO4 Depots that you should remove) can be a good advice.

Right after the Alkalinity, PO4 in my eyes is the most important parameter for nice SPS growth and coloration
 

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