TTM Question

[JPSika08]

I'm on an ongoing process of TTM right now, next Friday I will perform the 4th and last transfer.

For this stage, I was planning on transferring the fish to a bigger tank and leave them there for observation and possible Pazipro treatment for a couple of weeks, but I don't know if I need to remove the fish from this tank after the three days of the 4th transfer as well?

If so, I will transfer them to a 10 gallon tank and after the 12th day will transfer them to the bigger tank, thank you for your comments.

 

[Humblefish]

TTM needs to be done exactly as outlined below:

• Day 1 - Fish is placed in initial QT.
• Day 4 - Roughly 72 hours later transfer the fish to new tank. The time of day you do the transfer is unimportant, but never exceed 72 hours from the last transfer. The temperature and SG of the new tank should match the old one perfectly, so you can just catch & release (no acclimation). Transfer as little water as possible with the fish.
• Day 7 - Repeat.
• Day 10 - Repeat.
• Day 13 - Repeat and done (fish should now be ich free).

Just for clarification purposes, I consider "Day 1" to be the 1st transfer and "Day 13" to be the 5th transfer. The 5th transfer can be made into a permanent QT for further treatment or just observation. No further transfers are required after the 5th transfer.

 

[JPSika08]

TTM needs to be done exactly as outlined below:

• Day 1 - Fish is placed in initial QT.
• Day 4 - Roughly 72 hours later transfer the fish to new tank. The time of day you do the transfer is unimportant, but never exceed 72 hours from the last transfer. The temperature and SG of the new tank should match the old one perfectly, so you can just catch & release (no acclimation). Transfer as little water as possible with the fish.
• Day 7 - Repeat.
• Day 10 - Repeat.
• Day 13 - Repeat and done (fish should now be ich free).

Just for clarification purposes, I consider "Day 1" to be the 1st transfer and "Day 13" to be the 5th transfer. The 5th transfer can be made into a permanent QT for further treatment or just observation. No further transfers are required after the 5th transfer.

Thank you Humblefish, I will prepare the 10 gallon and then I will transfer the stock to the 25 Gallon for final observation.

 

[JPSika08]

Tomorrow's my last stage of TTM, prior to changing the fish, I want to dose some Pazipro in the "Old" tank. How long prior to the transfer should I leave the fish in with the medicine?

 

[Humblefish]

How long prior to the transfer should I leave the fish in with the medicine?

24 hrs minimum

 

[JPSika08]

I don't have time for this transfer, fish will be moved within 12 hours

Oh well, I'll use Pazipro on the QT tank (5th tank), Thank you for your help!

 

[Humblefish]

I don't have time for this transfer, fish will be moved within 12 hours

Oh well, I'll use Pazipro on the QT tank (5th tank), Thank you for your help!

You will need to use it twice (see below in red).

Prazipro (praziquantel): Treats flukes, black ich, and some internal parasites (worms).

How To Treat - In either a quarantine or display tank, dose Prazipro at the rate of 1 teaspoon per 20 gallons of water. DO NOT OVERDOSE (especially with wrasses), try not to mix with other medications (for various reasons), and provide additional gas exchange while treating with Prazi. Wait 5-7 days, do a 20-25% water change and then repeat dosage. The reason for the second dose is to eradicate the “next generation” of worms before they can lay eggs of their own. Because while Prazi does kill worms, it doesn’t eliminate any eggs they might leave behind.

Prazipro is generally considered reef safe, although it may kill any tube worms/feathers dusters you have. It may also eradicate bristle worms. If you have mass quantities of these, the resulting die-off can lead to an ammonia spike. After treatment is done, activated carbon may be used to remove any residuals (if you need to use a different medication next). If using a protein skimmer post-treatment, be advised that it will “over skim” for at least a couple of weeks.

Pros - Reef safe, effective dewormer that is relatively gentle on most fish.

Cons/Side Effects - Mild appetite suppression, moderate oxygen depletion, wrasses are sensitive to overdosing.

 

[JPSika08]

Thank you Humblefish, So, minimum would be 24 hours and max between 5 - 7 days, water change and repeat, second dosage same 5 - 7 days.
How much can Pazipro deteriorate the water if any?

After these two weeks it's safe for them to go into DT if no other sign of desease is detected?

 

[Humblefish]

Thank you Humblefish, So, minimum would be 24 hours and max between 5 - 7 days, water change and repeat, second dosage same 5 - 7 days.
How much can Pazipro deteriorate the water if any?

After 72 hrs all of the praziquantel (active ingredient) will have dissipated. All that will be leftover is the Oxybispropanol (inert solubilizing agent), which can still cause bacterial blooms if mixed with other medications. Technically I think I read somewhere that praziquantel only needs 10 hrs exposure time in order to deworm, but when I spoke to Hikari they recommended a minimum of 24 hrs.

After these two weeks it's safe for them to go into DT if no other sign of desease is detected?

Yes, so long as the fish has been in your care for at least 4 weeks total in order to observe for symptoms of velvet, brook, etc.

 

[JPSika08]

After 72 hrs all of the praziquantel (active ingredient) will have dissipated. All that will be leftover is the Oxybispropanol (inert solubilizing agent), which can still cause bacterial blooms if mixed with other medications. Technically I think I read somewhere that praziquantel only needs 10 hrs exposure time in order to deworm, but when I spoke to Hikari they recommended a minimum of 24 hrs.

Yes, so long as the fish has been in your care for at least 4 weeks total in order to observe for symptoms of velvet, brook, etc.

Thank you very much.
The fish were at the LFS for 30 days prior of my purchase, they seem healthy as of now, no spots, eating well, and swimming around, will keep watching, thank you for all your support.

 

[JPSika08]

So, both clowns are on day 4 in QT with Pazipro and doing great.

I'm preparing second round of TTM for new fish coming in tomorrow. I was trying to find if it is required a minimum level of salinity in the TTM article but couldn't find it.

Can I run the TTM tanks with a salinity of 1.018? This is so I can extend the salt bag a little more.

 

[Naiad]

I don't see why you couldnt run ttm and hypo. @Humblefish ?

 

[melypr1985]

1.018 wouldn't be hypo conditions and I don't see any reason you can't lower the salinity during TTM either.

 

[Naiad]

1.018 wouldn't be hypo conditions and I don't see any reason you can't lower the salinity during TTM either.

True the OP isn't going hypo but I don't see why those two methods couldn't be combined or why running at any lvl of salinity within the safe range would matter with ttm. As long as your consistent of course [emoji4]

 

[melypr1985]

True the OP isn't going hypo but I don't see why those two methods couldn't be combined or why running at any lvl of salinity within the safe range would matter with ttm. As long as your consistent of course [emoji4]

Yes I agree, although true hypo would be difficult to keep up with during TTM dont you think? And superfluous

 

[JPSika08]

I don't want to lower the salinity too much as it's not for Hypo reasons why I want to keep that level. Parameters are my major concern during these transfers and managing them in lower salinity are more of a risk rather than a benefit.

Thank you for your help.

 

[Humblefish]

One of the nice things about TTM is you can combine it with just about any other treatment (including hypo). Lower SG (1.018) would also not be a problem. In fact, maintaining 1.015 SG for 5 consecutive days would eliminate the need to use Prazipro to treat for flukes. However, the downside is I would allow evaporation to be the thing that increases the SG back up to whatever your DT is. (Before adding the fish to the DT.)

 

[JPSika08]

Thank you, I agree with you, my clownfish are in QT right now, I'm allowing evap. to increase salinity so when time comes, moving them into the DT will be easy.

Is it recommended for tomorrow's new additions to give them a quick Methylene Blue treatment before going into the TTM #1?

 

[Humblefish]

Is it recommended for tomorrow's new additions to give them a quick Methylene Blue treatment before going into the TTM #1?

I would only use MB on a new fish if you saw evidence of physical damage or suspected ammonia burn. Or cyanide poisoning (although I've been told that no longer happens in 2016 /sarc).

I've seen a few fish not handle MB well.