Two Gyres- Bean Animal

[Terry4505]

Hey guys,

I have a 180 peninsula with a Synergy Reef overflow and two Gyres (https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/terrys-180-sps-peninsula-upgrade.218181/) I have the Gyres running on OGC at 70% max.

I am having a really tough time getting my Bean Animal drain dialed in. The sump is in the basement.

Any suggestions? As soon as the Gyre pushes water towards the overflow, I am getting a massive rush of water, and my previously silent overflow is no longer silent.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Iiismet]

not really a fix but mine had the same problem, i just moved the pump down about 5 inches.

would love to know of another way to deal with it tho because i like the look better when the pump is near the water line

 

[Higher Thinking]

Hey guys,

I have a 180 peninsula with a Synergy Reef overflow and two Gyres (https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/terrys-180-sps-peninsula-upgrade.218181/) I have the Gyres running on OGC at 70% max.

I am having a really tough time getting my Bean Animal drain dialed in. The sump is in the basement.

Any suggestions? As soon as the Gyre pushes water towards the overflow, I am getting a massive rush of water, and my previously silent overflow is no longer silent.

Thanks in advance.

Don't use wave mode. Use constant flow. That might help.

 

[Terry4505]

Don't use wave mode. Use constant flow. That might help.

I am not using wave modes, the OGC mode is an alternating Gyre. Each Gyre comes on, then goes in reverse in tandem. I'd hate to lose the functionality of the pumps. I have been blown away by the 200 series pumps and controller.

I turned them down to 50% max and it seems to have helped. It is just a bit frustrating because the tank was DEAD silent before.

 

[Blitzie]

If your getting a rush of water I am pretty sure it is coming from the secondary drain correct?
If so have you tried to make the water level in the overflow box a little higher? you can either make the secondary a little taller or adjust whatever you have setup that turns the secondary into a primary in case of a clog?

 

[Terry4505]

If your getting a rush of water I am pretty sure it is coming from the secondary drain correct?
If so have you tried to make the water level in the overflow box a little higher? you can either make the secondary a little taller or adjust whatever you have setup that turns the secondary into a primary in case of a clog?

Thank you! I just raised the emergency and secondary drains a bit in the external box. There is still a bit of noise right now as the air is purging from the lines. We'll see how it sounds in a bit. But this seems to have helped.

 

[Reefer1978]

Your problem is the mermaid: http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q681/terry4505/Mobile Uploads/20151108_135226_zpssdremqj5.jpg

 

[KJAG]

Thank you! I just raised the emergency and secondary drains a bit in the external box. There is still a bit of noise right now as the air is purging from the lines. We'll see how it sounds in a bit. But this seems to have helped.

You raised the fittings or you raised the water level?
Pics of both the fittings in the overflow and of the ends of your standpipes in the sump?
Your gyres shouldn't be effecting your system. There may be a design flaw somewhere and I don't believe it to be the Gyres based off of what you describe. It's possible the water level in your box is too low, but usually this triggers the extremely loud gurgling/sucking sound. Is the noise you're hearing due to water rushing down your open channel or is there air failing to purge?

 

[Terry4505]

Layout of the Gyres:

Drains in the basement sump:

 

[KJAG]

Siphon on the left, OC on the right, both terminated about a half inch into the sump waterline. Is that correct?
It's a little hard to see what's going on in the sump photo. Nice tank by the way. Your water level in your overflow does look low. Is that a shot while it's running?
Is your return output valved down or do you have it full throttle?
Is your gate valve on the siphon?

 

[Terry4505]

Yes, that's right. Hard to take a good pic of the basement situation.

The return pump is on full, running the tank, manifold etc.

I have to have the water level in the external box that low, or when the right Gyre comes on, the water level rises to the emergency drain.

 

[KJAG]

Yes, that's right. Hard to take a good pic of the basement situation.

The return pump is on full, running the tank, manifold etc.

I have to have the water level in the external box that low, or when the right Gyre comes on, the water level rises to the emergency drain.

And you have your gate on your siphon correct?
When you hold your hand under the siphon in the sump, it's a confirmed full siphon with no air bubbles correct?
Does your open channel also terminate beneath the waterline and have you confirmed that has just a little flow exiting into the sump?

 

[Terry4505]

Yes, and yes. Except as the water level rises in the external box, the flow in the open channel increases dramatically

 

[Terry4505]

 

[KJAG]

How wide open is your gate on the siphon?
Do you have an air vent in your open channel?
Any estimate on your system turnover/ approx flow through your display?

 

[KJAG]

Here's my weir and standpipes for reference. Pretty much every Bean I've seen runs a waterline in their downturned elbows at this level or a little higher.

 

[Terry4505]

Gate is almost completely closed. I don't have a clue on total system turnover. I know I am not getting a ton of flow up to the display from the basement. I probably need to upgrade the return pump. Yes, there is an air vent on the open channel.

 

[KJAG]

And there it is. You need to drastically upsize your return. With an almost completely closed siphon, your level in your box should be flooding your emergency standpipe. Not to mention it's barely a siphon at all. The system you're currently running can handle a huge amount of flow.

 

[Reefer1978]

Just looked at the video and I agree, you are barely moving water through the box. With enough flow, gyres won't impact is that much.

 

[Terry4505]

Problem solved... I picked up a used Reeflow Barracuda/Hamerhead hybrid and have the smalled impeller in.

It took me most of the night to get things plumbed in, but it's all working and the tank is silent. Thanks guys