Two sps colony declining, but why?

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Hi all, I am hoping that some of the experts can help troubleshoot an issue I’ve been having with two colonies browning up and deteriorating.

I’ll preface by say that all except two of my SPS colonies are doing well, and this is just an isolated problem with two specific colonies. Not sure if it is water quality issues, pests, flow, or some other factor. But here is the story and looking forward to any feedback you may have.

System info - a redsea reefer 250, 65 gallon, running for 2 years. Lights - 3 x radio xr15 gen 3, average par is between 250 to 350. Flow: vectra m1 + 2 x vortech mp10s - turn over rate is about 50X. I dose 2 part and kalk, but admiralty - as you see from my water chemistry graphs, I’ve had issues with keeping staple parameters. I also keep a slightly dirty tank with detectable nitrates and phosphates. But tank and most sps have been looking really good - here is a vid from a couple of weeks ago.

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Ok, now the problem.
Starting in march/april, two corals starting deteriorating in color. My beloved electric myiagi tort, and a lovely bright green acro (shockholic or habanero, sorry, don’t know the exact name). Have a look at the progression pics below. Both color lost a lot of colours, but also, their tissue looks pretty slimy and degraded (=white, blotch near base). But please note that both colonies are actually still growing… note new growth of tips and more branches. So they are not dying or STN’ing… But I do note that they seem to be extra brittle - branches of the tort seem to break off easy
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April
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May
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June
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July
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April
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May
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June
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July
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But why ?
1) pests - > this is my number one concern; I actually took a few big chunks off the tort, and looked it under a dissecting scope; I found no signs of red bugs or AEFW… but have a look at the pics… is there something else that I could be missing ? Also, both corals are near other sps colonies that are doing fine. Its something specific to these two colonies
2) water chemistry; yes alk has been all over the place, but again, only two colonies affected ? Seems unlikely
3) flow - the tort is in the corner of the tank and perhaps it is not getting enough water flow now that I is bigger than usual, shocholic is also a bit sheltered - sandwitcheced between two big boulder that likely break up the flow… but would flow cause these symptoms ?
4) light - I did increase the intensity of the rations very modestly over this time period, by about 3% but it was very gradual, 1% a week.. seems unlikely.
5) trace elements ? I do weekly water changes (5L on 250L total volume), but again, why would trace element depletion only affect two colonies that have slightly different colors

Thats all of my hypothesis… I am at a loss for explanations. I would appreciated your feedback. On the one hand, most of the tank is looking good, so perhaps I shouldn’t worry. On the other hand, I am concerned that this may eventually spread to other colonies, so would like to figure out a plan of action. Thanks for your help!
 
Due to Alk swings is possible but you should have seen some STN from the bottom up.
My bet is this is done by FW.
Sometimes they don’t house the coral but on the rock.
They only lay eggs on your acros for that matter.
If possible take the effected colonies out and give them a nice Bayer Bubble bath.
 
How or what probes or testing system takes all those samples? I see it’s on the apex?
 
I would check for pests also. Your near by corals look too good to for it to be a parameter issue IMO. Also, another guess.. Maybe a hot spot problem from the LEDs? Diffusers will help even the spread on the Radions and eliminate hotspots, if you don't already use them.

FWIW I have a Rainbow granny, look like the coral in your second pic. Always been a target every time I had FW.
 
Due to Alk swings is possible but you should have seen some STN from the bottom up.
My bet is this is done by FW.
Sometimes they don’t house the coral but on the rock.
They only lay eggs on your acros for that matter.
If possible take the effected colonies out and give them a nice Bayer Bubble bath.

Thanks for the feedback. Wondering why you think AF.. wouldn’t they also affect other acro? I can certainly try a dip, I gave revive, so you think it matters what dip I use?
 
How or what probes or testing system takes all those samples? I see it’s on the apex?

I manually record the results on the apex interface, and it plots the values for me
 
It is not a trace element issue if you are changing water - cross this off. Even if flow could be better (no idea), it is not likely your issue.

Parameter stability is huge. Do not underestimate this. Everybody has a coral or two that suffer first when parameters start to swing - for me it is Paletta Pink Tip, Yellow Austera and Hawkins Echinata.

Acro pests also seem to "prefer" some colonies over others. Check really hard and then check again. See if you can dip the entire colonies or look at the bottom for bite marks.

If all of this checks out, consider adding T5s to your Radions. Lots of people have been resistant to this, but then report back massive increases in color and growth.

Remember, colonies are not the same animal as frags - frags are easy and colonies are many times more difficult.

Good luck.
 
I would check for pests also. Your near by corals look too good to for it to be a parameter issue IMO. Also, another guess.. Maybe a hot spot problem from the LEDs? Diffusers will help even the spread on the Radions and eliminate hotspots, if you don't already use them.

FWIW I have a Rainbow granny, look like the coral in your second pic. Always been a target every time I had FW.

Thanks. So what methods do you recommend for checking? I did examine under scope with high magnification but didn’t see anything other than coral tissue and polyps
 
At the point those pieces are at I think it would be best to take them out for an inspection if possible. They will usually feed on the base, and undersides. Look for bites marks or the eggs, small clusters look like brown sushi roe. Usually tucked up beneath the piece on dead tissue. FW themselves can be hard to find or see without dipping.

Would also look into lighting as well. I've seen corals look very similar from LED light burn. Might be worth looking into adding T5s or diffusers.
 
that alk swing will cause this but might be a flatworm issue also.
 
Thanks for the feedback. Wondering why you think AF.. wouldn’t they also affect other acro? I can certainly try a dip, I gave revive, so you think it matters what dip I use?

Not always, they like certain corals more then others.

Can you get the colony off? If so dip it and see what comes off.

Your alk swings don’t help, and some corals are more hearty so they don’t get hit as hard.

I don’t want to jump and say aefw, but if it was me I’d pull the thing off and do a concentrated dip and see if anything falls off. You can’t see every nook and granny... I mean cranny. [emoji1]

I had them in a system years ago. If you do have them don’t get discouraged, you can beat them. It will be a pain, but it’s possible! Coralrx as a concentrated solution worked well for me. Let us know what happens! Good luck!
 
For what I can see how these two acros looking like is that they are stressed due to something bothering them and it ain’t your parameters.
If you really starve them in low No3 they will turn pale and not brown.
High nutrients will turn them brown but then most of your SPS have the same issue which they don’t.
I’ve seen test on colonies from
Kate Rawlison and Cat Dybala (they did and still do research how to treat AEFW in a system) and from perfect color in matter of three weeks they turned like yours when they introduced AEFW to the system.
 
I don't know if this is the cause of your issue, but I have experienced similar issues with doing nothing but increasing my Radions by the same percentage as you did, weekly. I have given up trying to increase them at all and lowered them back down to where they were at, which is under 50%. What percentage are you at now? Maybe it is a combination of that in addition to something else that is weakening the colony.
 
Ok will take out the green colony and do a dip with revive and see what happens
 
I don't know if this is the cause of your issue, but I have experienced similar issues with doing nothing but increasing my Radions by the same percentage as you did, weekly. I have given up trying to increase them at all and lowered them back down to where they were at, which is under 50%. What percentage are you at now? Maybe it is a combination of that in addition to something else that is weakening the colony.
i am at 65%, but can certainly cut down
 
i am at 65%, but can certainly cut down
Every tank is different....I am not suggesting you cut your lighting below 50% but maybe reduce it back to where it was prior to you increasing it? Like you, I wondered what harm 1% weekly could possibly do but at least a few of my colonies reacted negatively, causing me to reduce it back to where I started.
 
Every tank is different....I am not suggesting you cut your lighting below 50% but maybe reduce it back to where it was prior to you increasing it? Like you, I wondered what harm 1% weekly could possibly do but at least a few of my colonies reacted negatively, causing me to reduce it back to where I started.

Done, I went back to 62% - the March %
 

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