looneywun7
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Im upgrading to a 180 from a 60. Im going to put sand in the new tank. Question is will the tan recycle if i use new live sand and all the old rocks from the old tank with mostly new water?
upgrading tank cycle question
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ludnix
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There is definitely a chance at a mini-cycle from any die-off during the transition, but i think you're going to minimize it greatly by using new sand instead of the old.
Do make sure if you plan on keeping any of the old tank water that you remove it before disturbing any rocks or sand.
Do make sure if you plan on keeping any of the old tank water that you remove it before disturbing any rocks or sand.
looneywun7
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Do you think I should use all new water or better off adding old with new?
all new is fine. we do skip cycles for pages in the sand rinse thread. take your new sand and rinse it in tap water for about an hour or more until its clear, its so filthy dirty you'll be amazed the first 50 mins.
then final rinse in RO, the new sand is ready when it cannot be clouded by any degree of disturbance. If you leave it 10% cloudy, thats 10% fail. Clear is clear. If you want to use the old sand, rinse it exactly this way. clear is clear, and partially cloudy is partial, be clear and execute the rinse accordingly.
when you move your rocks over dont just pick up and set in new tank with gunk and waste stuck to the bottom...twist the rocks about midwater in buckets of old tank water, to get all their castings off.
assemble your new reef with rinsed sand, the rocks, and all new water and it will not cycle nor will any of these steps cause a cycle or be lacking bacteria/we're up to page 35 now in the sand rinse thread/skipping cycles.
whether you put no sand in the new reef, or new sand, or old sand rinsed doesnt matter
being cloudless is what matters. the bacteria on the rocks are all you need, which is why they're handled in old tank water.
success: neither the sand nor rocks nor new water is cloudy in the new tank bc you rinsed it all
fail: some cloud due to partial / incomplete rinsing. its very easy to force-skip a cycle, you just forcefully rinse and it all works fine every time.
then final rinse in RO, the new sand is ready when it cannot be clouded by any degree of disturbance. If you leave it 10% cloudy, thats 10% fail. Clear is clear. If you want to use the old sand, rinse it exactly this way. clear is clear, and partially cloudy is partial, be clear and execute the rinse accordingly.
when you move your rocks over dont just pick up and set in new tank with gunk and waste stuck to the bottom...twist the rocks about midwater in buckets of old tank water, to get all their castings off.
assemble your new reef with rinsed sand, the rocks, and all new water and it will not cycle nor will any of these steps cause a cycle or be lacking bacteria/we're up to page 35 now in the sand rinse thread/skipping cycles.
whether you put no sand in the new reef, or new sand, or old sand rinsed doesnt matter
being cloudless is what matters. the bacteria on the rocks are all you need, which is why they're handled in old tank water.
success: neither the sand nor rocks nor new water is cloudy in the new tank bc you rinsed it all
fail: some cloud due to partial / incomplete rinsing. its very easy to force-skip a cycle, you just forcefully rinse and it all works fine every time.
Should be fine moving over the old rock to the new tank and skipping cycle. I would do a quick rinse of rocks in saltwater just to get nasty off and put right into new tank. I would not move the sand (or follow brandon429 method).
looneywun7
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wouldn't rinsing the new sand kill all the good bacteria? my old tank doesnt have sand. but I decided to go with sand this time because I wanted wrasses. and would the cloudy water effect the tank to cause the cycle?
no it wouldn't, sandbed bacteria aren't critical, crucial, or required. They're extra bioloading in a system, that our reefs tolerate if required (which is why nobody's reef crashes when they go bare bottom) our thread is out 35 pages here below. legit question though, I think 99.9999999% of polled folks would say it kills bac and what is being advised is insane
www.reef2reef.com
the largest skip cycle work thread on the internet. we wanted a way to move reefs, upgrade and downgrade them, and uninvade them from dinos or cyano. cloudless rinsing is one way that works always without variance.
Official Sand Rinse and Tank Transfer thread
If you are reading this thread to cure a tank invasion from a link I sent you, we do not need to identify your type of invasion here we do not need you to test anything at anytime regarding nitrate, phosphate etc Above all, we do not need to see a microscope slide picture of your invasion at...
www.reef2reef.com
the largest skip cycle work thread on the internet. we wanted a way to move reefs, upgrade and downgrade them, and uninvade them from dinos or cyano. cloudless rinsing is one way that works always without variance.
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looneywun7
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Awesome thank you for this!no it wouldn't, sandbed bacteria aren't critical, crucial, or required. They're extra bioloading in a system, that our reefs tolerate if required (which is why nobody's reef crashes when they go bare bottom) our thread is out 35 pages here below. legit question though, I think 99.9999999% of polled folks would say it kills bac and what is being advised is insane
Official Sand Rinse and Tank Transfer thread
If you are reading this thread to cure a tank invasion from a link I sent you, we do not need to identify your type of invasion here we do not need you to test anything at anytime regarding nitrate, phosphate etc Above all, we do not need to see a microscope slide picture of your invasion at...
the largest skip cycle work thread on the internet. we wanted a way to move reefs, upgrade and downgrade them, and uninvade them from dinos or cyano. cloudless rinsing is one way that works always without variance.
