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I came across this article...which is the best UV article I've ever read, but very long, and it has brought to my attention some things. I was hoping if you havent read it, you guys would and help me out a little. I have a 250 gallon system with an Aqua Ultraviolet 57w UV. The pump I am using is a eheim 260 gph adjustable pump. The article states for level 2 sterilization, which is what I am aiming for, you need about 8-12 gph per watt. Doing the math at 8 gph per watt = 456 gph. I am a bit confused because I was always under the impression that slower is better for parasite control. Can anyone she a little more light on it?
 
Isn't it dependant on the size of the cell you are targeting?
Bigger cell slower flow
Smaller cell you can speed it up as it does not require a longer time of exposure.
This is what in my mind makes sense.
 
I would target the manufacturer recommendation as it also is determined by design.
Dwell time vrs flow rate within the reaction chamber
Those cells are small so they don't have to have a lot of time within the chamber.

With a UV that size be careful ;)
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From looking at the information you need a lot of flow through that size UV you have.
Get too slow and you will sterilize everything going through it
 
I came across this article...which is the best UV article I've ever read, but very long,
How a about providing the article, or at least a link to it, please.
Was the article that you read providing the rule of thumb 8 gph/watt written for an AquaUltraviolet UV system or was it generic as to make and model?

Generally speaking, slower water flow through the UV chamber does, indeed, provide more UV exposure to a particle passing through it. You can see that clearly in the table that @twillard inserted in post #8 that shows the design operating points for flow rates versus exposure for various wattages of AquaUltraviolet UV models. For example, for a 57 watt unit, a high flow rate of 3200 gph through the chamber provides 30,000 microwatts per square centimeter but at 1/3 of that flow rate triples the UV exposure. The article appears to discuss levels of sterilization which I presume equates to what the exposure level is for a particle passing through the device. I expect that the specific design of the UV unit will change that specific rule of thumb somewhat.

Also, the number of passes required for a level of cumulative exposure has to be taken into account. AquaUltraviolet bases its claims on 3 passes to get a certain high percentage of particles to have been irradiated sufficiently for sterilization.I do not recall the actual percentage number, itself. It could be that the article did not specify the same basis of 3 passes. In fact, as I recall, the table in post #8 assumes 3 passes to achieve the exposure rates shown at the heads of the columns of flow rates. You will notice the "EOL" in the column headers under exposure levels. That is telling you that the data provides the exposure levels when the bulb has reached its End Of Life.

My personal experience has been that most aquarists I have communicated with on the use of UV have not sized their flow rates properly to tank size and wattage. As a result most I have known are woefully low in their flow rates. If they are using the UV with reef systems they are overexposing with it and are killing off beneficial organisms. My understanding is that UV sterilization is only effective on single-cell organisms. Even those with hard cell walls may not be adequateley susceptible to UV. The UV does not directly kill the organisms; rather it tinkers with the DNA of a vulnerable organism, thereby preventing it from reproducing successfully. One other note is that exposing water to UV does no harm to it. There is no residual effect on the water passed through the exposure chamber beyond killing off vulnerable organisms.
 
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I agree with @twilliard, use the manufacturer's recommended flow rate for targeting protozoa/parasites. This will typically be the slowest flow rate, as more contact time is required than for just killing algae spores.
 
How a about providing the article, or at least a link to it, please.
Was the article that you read providing the rule of thumb 8 gph/watt written for an AquaUltraviolet UV system or was it generic as to make and model?

Generally speaking, slower water flow through the UV chamber does, indeed, provide more UV exposure to a particle passing through it. You can see that clearly in the table that @twillard inserted in post #8 that shows the design operating points for flow rates versus exposure for various wattages of AquaUltraviolet UV models. For example, for a 57 watt unit, a high flow rate of 3200 gph through the chamber provides 30,000 microwatts per square centimeter but at 1/3 of that flow rate triples the UV exposure. The article appears to discuss levels of sterilization which I presume equates to what the exposure level is for a particle passing through the device. I expect that the specific design of the UV unit will change that specific rule of thumb somewhat.

Also, the number of passes required for a level of cumulative exposure has to be taken into account. AquaUltraviolet bases its claims on 3 passes to get a certain high percentage of particles to have been irradiated sufficiently for sterilization.I do not recall the actual percentage number, itself. It could be that the article did not specify the same basis of 3 passes. In fact, as I recall, the table in post #8 assumes 3 passes to achieve the exposure rates shown at the heads of the columns of flow rates. You will notice the "EOL" in the column headers under exposure levels. That is telling you that the data provides the exposure levels when the bulb has reached its End Of Life.

My personal experience has been that most aquarists I have communicated with on the use of UV have not sized their flow rates properly to tank size and wattage. As a result most I have known are woefully low in their flow rates. If they are using the UV with reef systems they are overexposing with it and are killing off beneficial organisms. My understanding is that UV sterilization is only effective on single-cell organisms. Even those with hard cell walls may not be adequateley susceptible to UV. The UV does not directly kill the organisms; rather it tinkers with the DNA of a vulnerable organism, thereby preventing it from reproducing successfully. One other note is that exposing water to UV does no harm to it. There is no residual effect on the water passed through the exposure chamber beyond killing off vulnerable organisms.

I forgot to post it. Next post will be a link.
 
I agree with @twilliard, use the manufacturer's recommended flow rate for targeting protozoa/parasites. This will typically be the slowest flow rate, as more contact time is required than for just killing algae spores.

The article I just posted states the opposite. You would need a higher flow rate. I just posted a link.
 
@Breakthecycle2 Below are quotes taken directly from the article you linked:
AID in the control of parasites such as Ich or Cryptocaryon by improving immune function and at very low flows can more directly aid in parasite control in the water column, although not on fish directly (that requires Level 2 Sterilization; under 8-12 gph per watt, which is still not 100%).

*As a Sterilizer; For single cell parasite control (such as Cryptocaryon) as well as a few “stubborn” viruses, a flow under 10 gph (or even less) is necessary. This is often not 100% for all parasites of this type, so a UV Sterilizer should not be relied on as the sole preventative for these parasites!

UV-C Use Flow Rate (generalized) Turnover Rate
Clarification;
(Green water control; Aquarium/Pond)
The most popular application for ponds 40-50 gph per watt
(50-60 gph High Exposure/Dwell UV or even 70+ gph with Super High Exposure Pro Clear UV30) Once per 2-3 hours
Level One Sterilization
(Bacteria, some Virus)
The most common & recommended aquarium application 20-30 gph per watt
(30-35 gph High Exposure/Dwell UV) 1.5 times per hour
Level Two Sterilization
(Parasites, “Stubborn” Viruses; Recommended for Swimming Pools) Under 8 gph per watt
(8-12 gph High Exposure/Dwell UV) 3 times per hour

That last quote I can't get the formatting right but he is advocating:
  • 50-60 gph flow rate for green water control i.e. algae spores
  • 30-35 gph for bacteria/some viruses
  • 8-12 gph for parasites & "stubborn" viruses
 
High exposure levels obviously require slower flow levels. In the extreme cases, with zero flow the UV exposure level would increase to enormous amounts as time matched on, whereas at extremely high flow rates There would be barely any time for the exposure to occupe.

This just a simple case of inverse relationships.
 
High exposure levels obviously require slower flow levels. In the extreme cases, with zero flow the UV exposure level would increase to enormous amounts as time marches on, whereas at extremely high flow rates There would be barely any time for the exposure to occur.

This just a simple case of inverse relationships.
 

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