Velvet or ick

[Llg]

I had this fish in copper for 2 weeks. Just brought it up to 1.6 PPM two days ago. Saw fined spots on the fish and tonight the fish is clearly dying. I lost a coral beauty yesterday with no noticeable issues. I still have two in quarantine. A tailspot and firefish. I just did a formalin dip. Suggestions?

 

[blaxsun]

Sometimes not everyone can view the videos. A photo or two might be helpful.

 

[Sharkbait19]

Sometimes not everyone can view the videos. A photo or two might be helpful.

+1
Luckily copper works for both velvet and ich

 

[Llg]

Here is a picture. He was always an open mouth breather. Had done a freshwater dip (no flukes), metro in water, and gc in food. Looked like sugar this morning

It didn't make it, but want to confirm what I have as I have two more and I want to make sure I get this right. I tried a formalin dip with Rally, but it died in the bath. I thought 1.5 of copper power (tested with Hannah) would take care of it. I didn't want to push it with the coral beauty.

 

[Sharkbait19]

I’m leaning towards velvet.
@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

 

[Tamberav]

What copper product? 2 weeks to 1.6 seems very slow ramp

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Here is a picture. He was always an open mouth breather. Had done a freshwater dip (no flukes), metro in water, and gc in food. Looked like sugar this morning

It didn't make it, but want to confirm what I have as I have two more and I want to make sure I get this right. I tried a formalin dip with Rally, but it died in the bath. I thought 1.5 of copper power (tested with Hannah) would take care of it. I didn't want to push it with the coral beauty.

Copper Power really needs to be over 2.0 to work. A partial dose doesn’t give a partial benefit, it just doesn’t work.
This is probably a protozoan issue….ich or velvet.
Jay

 

[Llg]

Thanks. I had read in some previous posts that 1.5 would work. I will go ahead and move it up to 2 in the QT tank.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thanks. I had read in some previous posts that 1.5 would work. I will go ahead and move it up to 2 in the QT tank.

A couple of things - the gramma could have had ich and flukes at the same time.

What other fish are in the tank now?

The trick with copper power is that you need to get to a full dose right away (24 hours or less). In addition, once fish have died from a presumed infection, the disease has a pretty firm foothold in the tank. Copper takes up to 3 days to work. This means that even if you get to full copper, you may still see some fish loss.

Jay

 

[Llg]

This morning, the firefish seems ok, but the tailspot blenny is stressed and not moving much. Had to get copper up to 2 last night, so I am sure this is part of the issue. Both are still open mouth breathing, but the blenny is more pronounced.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

This morning, the firefish seems ok, but the tailspot blenny is stressed and not moving much. Had to get copper up to 2 last night, so I am sure this is part of the issue. Both are still open mouth breathing, but the blenny is more pronounced.

Rapid breathing is from the disease, not the copper. As I said, things may get worse before they get better and you may lose additional fish.
Jay

 

[ariellemermaid]

The trick with copper power is that you need to get to a full dose right away (24 hours or less).

Do you mean with an actively infected fish, or for QT prophylaxis as well? I’ve read so many different things over the years; ramp it up over 4 days, dropping in at 1.0 is fine, starting at 2.0 is fine, etc.