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I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this , but does reef2reef have a list of water parameters from coral vendors/sponsors ? I thought it would be a cool Idea to have a database of some of our favorite vendors Alk , Cal and Mg . Par and light schedules would be cool but I know they can't give away all their secrets ; )
 
I would only assume if you called them and asked. .
They would either tell you , or perhaps ask what their recommendations for parameters are .

for example .
the one place I buy all my frags from .
they maintain alk at 7.5
I have never asked about nutrients or anything else
 
What's the point? no offense but unless we see their growth pics what does it matter?
curiosity mostly . There are a bunch of different threads on this forum and it's nice to have a database for things like this .
 
The fact that vendors have secrets
on how to propagate corals in todays world is beyond reasoning to me.
The secrets, if any, do not help the hobby in any way.
I agree , I was being silly with the "secrets" thing . The vendors I've dealt with on here or in person have always been very helpful .
 
curiosity mostly . There are a bunch of different threads on this forum and it's nice to have a database for things like this .
true but you'd have to be more specific because vendors have multiple systems, each system may have it's own parameters, and each vendor may be making changes to their systems which would require updates to the database over time. it's a lot of work for what gain...
 
It doesn't matter and I would advise that you don't pay any attention to them unless you do everything else that they do as well. For example, if somebody is thinking about using Jason Fox's parameters and stuff, then are they going to change massive amounts of water too? Picking and choosing parts of an overall system is not good. Besides, what makes any of you think that they have optimal water parameters? There is so much happening in some of those systems, that they some never are very stable... some of them just get by on turning and burning corals so fast that they don't sit around long enough to get stressed. Their models are different than ours.

You are far better off following along with what some high end hobbyists do for what you are trying to keep. No needed in trying to keep acropora water for Z&P, so find some high end Z&P tanks... or whatever.
 
I’m going to disagree. I had nothing but acro death following the “sps formula”. Parameters were ideal, but the corals were not. I started asking all the vendors I was ordering acros from what their parameters were and they were way different than the “preached” methods. I also noticed that none of them use gfo or carbon dose. As soon as stopped following the advice of my lfs, forums etc my corals started surviving and thriving.
 
Hey Charlie, would you elaborate a bit on what you found were the biggest discrepancies of the "preached methods" and what you now run?
 
The majority of the vendors run alk 7.5-8.5
No3 5-15 (WWC is 25)
Po4 in the 0.05-0.12 range

My Tenuis corals look their best with no3 in the 10-25 range and po4 around 0.10-0.15, but it will elevate to 0.30 at times. The most important detail to take away from my posts is that these ranges do NOT kill acroporas. There are way more death threads with hobbyists in the “perfect BRS parameter” range than there are with elevated levels.
 
I’m going to disagree. I had nothing but acro death following the “sps formula”. Parameters were ideal, but the corals were not. I started asking all the vendors I was ordering acros from what their parameters were and they were way different than the “preached” methods. I also noticed that none of them use gfo or carbon dose. As soon as stopped following the advice of my lfs, forums etc my corals started surviving and thriving.

Theres is more bad advice here than good, but there are plenty of people on this forum with proven successful tanks worthy of following. You just have to pick who to listen to.
 
Another reason not use any vendor, wholesaler or manufacturer parameter. Nobody should just be picking and choosing parts and pieces of what BRS does in their tanks either. Do it all, or don't pay attention to it. Just finding something a piece of this or a piece of that which happened to work for you was probably more luck/chance than using their methods. This could probably be said for failures too. I have said this for a long time about the manufacturer methods like Zeo, RS, etc... do it all the way, or don't do it.
 
It doesn't matter and I would advise that you don't pay any attention to them unless you do everything else that they do as well. For example, if somebody is thinking about using Jason Fox's parameters and stuff, then are they going to change massive amounts of water too? Picking and choosing parts of an overall system is not good. Besides, what makes any of you think that they have optimal water parameters? There is so much happening in some of those systems, that they some never are very stable... some of them just get by on turning and burning corals so fast that they don't sit around long enough to get stressed. Their models are different than ours.

You are far better off following along with what some high end hobbyists do for what you are trying to keep. No needed in trying to keep acropora water for Z&P, so find some high end Z&P tanks... or whatever.
Good point
 

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