Vermetid Snails- The undefeatable pest

I started getting them in my tank after I added my hammers. It sounds like any natural predator is not going to be reef safe. I may just need to control my nutrients.
 
I freaking hate these things. Even better, I have a 30" deep tank and I'm only 5'9". Lucky me. I can barely reach them to smash them and I have thousands. I mean, thousands!

My tuxedo urchin obliterates the ones he mindlessly passes over. Of course, he's big and slow, so he doesn't pass over that many. Still, it's satisfying to see a cleared off swatch of vermetids, especially where I can't reach. Maybe i can find baby tuxedo urchins to get more into the nooks and cranies at least for a little while.

I added 10 bumble bee snails recently. I have seen them at the base of a vermetid snail tube but in a 220g tank, I probably need a hundred bumble bees to actually see a difference. I can actually look to my right right at this moment and see a bumble bee at the base of a vermetid now.

Manual removal. Kind of already covered. Deep tank so I might as well have t-rex arms. Maybe I'll pull out some of the smaller pieces and spend some time killing a couple hundred vermetids at a time. Seems like good wholesome fun to me at this point. I'm having thoughts of getting one of my teenagers interested in helping but perhaps I shouldn't be encouraging mass murder or genocide at this point in their lives.

I'm not particularly thrilled with my rockscape so I have considered taking out one big rock at a time and giving it a muriatic acid bath. Maybe one per week? No way it'll get rid of all of them, but I'll at least feel better until they all grow back. Plus, my neighbors look at me funny when I'm sitting in the driveway with a plastic tote bubbling and wearing eye and breathing protection. I just wave like Forest Gump, start to take my breathing protection off, and then pretend to cough as I quickly put it back on. Too much work. I'll continue to give laziness a try.

Edited to add:

I added 5 emerald crabs too. Before the bumble bees. I haven't seen them eat anything and have only ever seen 2 at a time. Not sure if my melanarus got to any. In any case, no clue if they're beneficial or not.
 
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Would copper work ? I currently have them in my coral and invert QT. I was think I can remove all the remaining inverts and treat it with cooper. What do you think. The other option would be just to get rid of all the corals I have in there and start over. So sad. I have a really nice frogspawn and a few others in it.
 
I bought a piece of stainless steel rod at the hardware store so I could reach. Sharpened the end and it works well.

I have all kinds of things to help me reach and even more places where it's pretty much impossible to reach without jumping in lol!

If only I had a toddler who could snorkel and be trusted to not pee.
 
I just added 15 bumble bee snails to my 80 gal DT. I hear more people say they do not work then people that claim they do, but figured why not try, also need to beef up the cuc anyway.
I also pull rocks and chip as many off at the base as I can find and reach. But most of my rocks can’t come out (Easily).

Not even the Bayer dip or anything else if tried will kill them if they are on a frag or rock.

Im always searching to see if anyone found a “cure“. Best thing I have found was a write up of how someone removed all fish, and stopped feeding corals, or adding any kind of food supplements- keeping water coloum free of what they feed on in order to starve them out. He claimed to have good success, I just don’t see how that’s possible in 99% of tanks.

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i did that. it did not work. couldnt tell you why though. it sure seemed like a sterile environment
 
Would copper work ? I currently have them in my coral and invert QT. I was think I can remove all the remaining inverts and treat it with cooper. What do you think. The other option would be just to get rid of all the corals I have in there and start over. So sad. I have a really nice frogspawn and a few others in it.
IMO, they aren't bad enough to warrant too drastic of action.
 
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If you've been in this hobby long enough...you often hear reefers boast about how they defeated a particular pest with a natural predator. However, Vermetid snails seem to be the exception. The really don't have many natural predators.

I've had them in a few of my systems over the years and they are the most annoying pest out there other the AEFW. They will irritate Acro's and stunt their growth, they will grow up through the coral, they multiply like crazy if nutrients are left unchecked and they ruin your photos.

You hear people Bumblebee Snails work. I haven't personally witnessed that to be true. You hear Emerald Crabs work. Emerald Crabs actually help tremendously with the Vermetid's on your rocks, but some Emerald Crabs have a palate for corals. Recently, I had 4 out of 5 Emeralds go for my corals and I took photos of one crab on top of an Acro and also where it ate the base of the coral. Anyway, there's not too many options for dealing with Vermetid snails. It's depressing. Even if you killed them, they will leave behind their hard little tubes which would need to be broken off the rocks. You can put super glue on 20K snails so that's out of the question for most of us.

These guys are microscopic too. The only way to possibly avoid them is to only introduce "live tissue" or microscopically check everything going into a new system after it's been quarantined for months which is way too difficult for most. The best way is to cut all frag plugs off the corals, keep only live tissue, and quarantine the corals. You might get lucky for a while just doing the first two steps. :)

If anybody has heard of a sure way to eliminate these snails, please let me know. :) I think about 75% or more of hobbyist have these in their tanks. :(
I had a ton of them.. I put a dozen bumblebee snails in and starry blenny and two wrasses

I don’t know which one did it but I would guess the bumblebee snails because I got them last but I noticed over about 3 months they disappeared
 
I just got some bumble bee snails, and have seen them working on the vermetids; somehow they seem to dissolve the tube too? But.... 5 bumble bees vs a thousand vermetids.... It's gonna be awhile. Hopefully the urchin will help out too. Six-line wrasse doesn't pay them any attention :-(
 
I had a huge problem with these guys. My cure was a new tank and brayer.
these guys covered my biocube29. So when I upgraded to a 60 gallon cube I made sure not to transfer the live rock over. All the corals with hard skeletons I dipped in brayer. but right before that I made sure to break off all the individual snail with tweezers. I had only a dozen corals at the time. So it wasn’t that crazy to inspectand groom each one.
 
I just added 15 bumble bee snails to my 80 gal DT. I hear more people say they do not work then people that claim they do, but figured why not try, also need to beef up the cuc anyway.
I also pull rocks and chip as many off at the base as I can find and reach. But most of my rocks can’t come out (Easily).

Not even the Bayer dip or anything else if tried will kill them if they are on a frag or rock.

Im always searching to see if anyone found a “cure“. Best thing I have found was a write up of how someone removed all fish, and stopped feeding corals, or adding any kind of food supplements- keeping water coloum free of what they feed on in order to starve them out. He claimed to have good success, I just don’t see how that’s possible in 99% of tanks.

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Don’t try the no food no fish experiment. I let a reef aquarium go for 8+ years no fish no food nothing . All I got was every rock covered in colonial hydroids and vermited snails.
 
Don’t try the no food no fish experiment. I let a reef aquarium go for 8+ years no fish no food nothing . All I got was every rock covered in colonial hydroids and vermited snails.
The horror
 
Thing is when people break off the shell the snail retracts and hangs on to the rock. Then they rebuild and reproduce. You need to break the shell then dip it in something that will kill the pest. They don’t die just because they’re home was destroyed.
 
Thing is when people break off the shell the snail retracts and hangs on to the rock. Then they rebuild and reproduce. You need to break the shell then dip it in something that will kill the pest. They don’t die just because they’re home was destroyed.
They do if you bludgeon and scrape them :). But, you do have to get all the way to the base.
 

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