Warning: Use Vibrant at your own risk

Want to really get your blood boiling as far as greed and the lengths companies/corps go to to hide their misdeeds watch "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing", currently on Netflix.
Just added it to my "to watch" list. I find I have to space these shows out. I get too angry and I can feel my blood pressure rising while watching. My body needs time to recover before I queue up the next one. :-)
 
One of the interesting implications of it being made by someone else (sounds likely based on having a meeting with "producers") is the possible question to UWC from the inspectors:

If you claim it is not an unregistered pesticide, how do you know that to be true if you do not make it yourself?

Who are the manufacturers? Do the manufacturers provide documentation of what it is? Can we see that documentation? Do you have any documented in house QC to validate what it is? Can we see that documentation?

They said in their big thread that they developed this in house, made it commercially available at high demand because it worked so well and that they make it in their own facility. That could all be lies too, but they said it.

That thread makes you cringe reading through it knowing what we know now.
 
Just added it to my "to watch" list. I find I have to space these shows out. I get too angry and I can feel my blood pressure rising while watching. My body needs time to recover before I queue up the next one. :)
Add "Last breath" to that list , amazing story.
 
WOW I missed a lot. I am never going to sleep again! This has gotten much more interesting.
I know what you mean. I was all caught up at about 2am then I woke up to find RHF's post about the EPA being there and probably other agencies. I was like "what the heck". I was expecting another day of crickets chirping and funny gifs. :-)
 
WOW I missed a lot. I am never going to sleep again! This has gotten much more interesting.
Yup dont sleep, eat or blink around here. I learned this after I got back from taking pup for a walk and sbb live sale was over hahahaha dang
 
They said in their big thread that they developed this in house, made it commercially available at high demand because it worked so well and that they make it in their own facility. That could all be lies too, but they said it.

That thread makes you cringe reading through it knowing what we know now.
Exactly. Even if they did pass off production to someone else because they couldn't keep up with demand it doesn't absolve them of responsibility or liability.
 
Smartest Guys in the Room is a great doc about awful people too. Enron. Money and greed paying off politicians to deregulate energy so that they could make billions at the cost of normal people and yet still run a company into the ground. Left a wake of employees without pensions and financially devastated, cost political careers of honest politicians trying to stop them and their mostly complicit banks and investors who survived generally got away without any penalty. It did cost Arthur Anderson and a large Law Firm their businesses.
 
There was an old brs youtube video where they sit down with the owner or UWC ( because they were already friends) but i can't seem to find that either. Doesn't mean it's deleted, just can't find it.
 
Seeing and listening to him explains so much about this whole thing! I get the used car sales vibe from him 100 percent.
 
I think that everybody knows this, but this all started out as some little-engine-that-could changing the world with their organic aquarium product that they did all by themselves in the vein a a typical American success story ala Steve Jobs soldering his first Apple Computer in his garage (myth too, actually). They had some genius idea that nobody else could conceive or figure out... then it became a house of cards. We Work and Theranos come to mind recently?

This is why I want nothing less than full and complete intolerance for any of this kind of behavior. Penalties need to be harsh. Public needs to be unmerciful. The next person who wishes to do something like this needs to see a fierce landscape with smart people who will challenge any fraud or BS. I appreciate that this board has allowed this to continue, including the disgust and comedy since it shows a level of intolerance. I also appreciate that this board has allowed members to show their disgust with members acting as apologists or excuse makers, since this is important too. I, so far, appreciate the larger aquarium retailers taking the product of their shelves and hope that they issue an apology, post mortem and change their principles based on what we learned to be less of shills in the future.

My agenda has always been the hobby and humanity. I am not naïve enough to think that this will never happen again in the hobby or in the world, but if this stops a few would-be scammers in my sphere, then I guess that it was worth it.

Maybe I am the last person where integrity matters, but if so, then I can live with that.
 
WOW I missed a lot. I am never going to sleep again! This has gotten much more interesting.
Happy Cheering GIF by Spider-Man
 
Smartest Guys in the Room is a great doc about awful people too. Enron. Money and greed paying off politicians to deregulate energy so that they could make billions at the cost of normal people and yet still run a company into the ground. Left a wake of employees without pensions and financially devastated, cost political careers of honest politicians trying to stop them and their mostly complicit banks and investors who survived generally got away without any penalty. It did cost Arthur Anderson and a large Law Firm their businesses.
I read an amazing book about Enron after they collapsed. I think the author used to be an Institutional Investor for one of the Wall Street firms. Now I think he just writes books. It was shocking what this company did. I will have to watch this. Maybe it's based on that book. :-)
 
I just wanted to say that the guy selling Vibrant ≠ Apple, Steve Jobs, Enron, McKinsey, etc. It's not a mega corporation that influences society and governments globally we're talking about here lol, but I do get the sentiment.
 
I think that everybody knows this, but this all started out as some little-engine-that-could changing the world with their organic aquarium product that they did all by themselves in the vein a a typical American success story ala Steve Jobs soldering his first Apple Computer in his garage (myth too, actually). They had some genius idea that nobody else could conceive or figure out... then it became a house of cards. We Work and Theranos come to mind recently?

This is why I want nothing less than full and complete intolerance for any of this kind of behavior. Penalties need to be harsh. Public needs to be unmerciful. The next person who wishes to do something like this needs to see a fierce landscape with smart people who will challenge any fraud or BS. I appreciate that this board has allowed this to continue, including the disgust and comedy since it shows a level of intolerance. I also appreciate that this board has allowed members to show their disgust with members acting as apologists or excuse makers, since this is important too. I, so far, appreciate the larger aquarium retailers taking the product of their shelves and hope that they issue an apology, post mortem and change their principles based on what we learned to be less of shills in the future.

My agenda has always been the hobby and humanity. I am not naïve enough to think that this will never happen again in the hobby or in the world, but if this stops a few would-be scammers in my sphere, then I guess that it was worth it.

Maybe I am the last person where integrity matters, but if so, then I can live with that.
I agree about much harsher penalties for acts like this. In some cases the fines/penalties are laughable considering the money these companies make and the fallout they leave in their wake! They need to see a fire and brimstone landscape in their future if they attempt it. One good thing about forums like this and social media is that the digital age makes it harder for them to escape their past.
 
A visiting agency does not demand ones full attention for 12 hours, or prevent him from logging onto R2R for 5 minutes and posting an explanation.
Totally agree with this and wanted to chime in earlier to say the same thing but work got in the way.

EVEN IF they were there the whole day, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find 2 minutes in the evening to at least say something like "we see your comments and we'll come with an answer by... <insert date>"

They might have been tired and completely drained (no pun intended here with earlier dispute on this thread abput disposal, drains, etc.) after that 12 hour visit (but then again, I'm wondering what EPA official is going to work overtime when he can come back the next day).

They still had time to respond to RHF's inquiry so what would have been an extra 2 minutes to respond here to the rest of us as well?
It would had been a good opportunity to show they still care about their customers and they do take things serious.
Just ignoring the big crowd and corresponding through other party is showing how much they care and respect us as customers.
 
Totally agree with this and wanted to chime in earlier to say the same thing but work got in the way.

EVEN IF they were there the whole day, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find 2 minutes in the evening to at least say something like "we see your comments and we'll come with an answer by... <insert date>"

They might have been tired and completely drained (no pun intended here with earlier dispute on this thread abput disposal, drains, etc.) after that 12 hour visit (but then again, I'm wondering what EPA official is going to work overtime when he can come back the next day).

They still had time to respond to RHF's inquiry so what would have been an extra 2 minutes to respond here to the rest of us as well?
It would had been a good opportunity to show they still care about their customers and they do take things serious.
Just ignoring the big crowd and corresponding through other party is showing how much they care and respect us as customers.
"They might have been tired and completely drained (no pun intended here with earlier dispute on this thread abput disposal, drains, etc.)"

::inserts non existent cry laugh face emoji::::

The "drain guy" references just keep making my LOL today.
 

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