Watanabei Angelfish QT Treatment
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The male is back to laying on it's side and still beathing. I have no lights on the QT but a light on on the other side of the room so I can observe. Praying he makes it. Please let me let know if anyone has any other ideas than just waiting it out.
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Avoiding bright lights or otherwise pestering it should be avoided....otherwise, just time will tell I think.
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Ugh, that could be red band disease, Uronema. Genicanthus angels are prone to getting that when they are first collected. Despite what you'll read, there are no effective treatments Uronema when it is internal like this. The lesion breaks the surface, but not until the infection is well underway inside the fish, where the medication can't reach. Chloroquine can help to keep it spreading from fish to fish.
The only things that are keeping me from making a 100% diagnosis of Uronema here, is the length of the lesion (about twice as long as normally seen) and the lack of red coloration. Still, aside from an injury (which Uronema is frequently confused with) there isn't anything else that makes a lesion like this.
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The only things that are keeping me from making a 100% diagnosis of Uronema here, is the length of the lesion (about twice as long as normally seen) and the lack of red coloration. Still, aside from an injury (which Uronema is frequently confused with) there isn't anything else that makes a lesion like this.
Here is my article on the topic:
Uronema / Red Band Disease - Hemdal
Red Band Syndrome in Marine Fishes: Caused by the Protozoan; Uronema sp. Jay Hemdal Introduction: This moderately common disease of certain species of marine fish is so often misdiagnosed that most aquarists apply incorrect treatment methods...
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O.K. that is one more symptom to steer me away from Uronema - fish with a Uronema lesion that large typically won't feed.
Still, that leaves us with, if not Uronema, then what? I don't know.....
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p.s. - soaking mysis in Selcon is messy and it rinses off as fast as it soaks in, so I wouldn't bother doing that. To use Selcon as a "top dressing" you need to have a drier food that absorbs it better.
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They will. Mine eat tdo 3 times a day. Add a few pellets in with the mysis.
Not some sort of bacterial infection?Ugh, that could be red band disease, Uronema. Genicanthus angels are prone to getting that when they are first collected. Despite what you'll read, there are no effective treatments Uronema when it is internal like this. The lesion breaks the surface, but not until the infection is well underway inside the fish, where the medication can't reach. Chloroquine can help to keep it spreading from fish to fish.
The only things that are keeping me from making a 100% diagnosis of Uronema here, is the length of the lesion (about twice as long as normally seen) and the lack of red coloration. Still, aside from an injury (which Uronema is frequently confused with) there isn't anything else that makes a lesion like this.
Here is my article on the topic:
Uronema / Red Band Disease - Hemdal
Red Band Syndrome in Marine Fishes: Caused by the Protozoan; Uronema sp. Jay Hemdal Introduction: This moderately common disease of certain species of marine fish is so often misdiagnosed that most aquarists apply incorrect treatment methods...
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Ugh. Things have taken a bit of a negative turn. I’m having trouble now since last night getting the pair to eat and the male has become somewhat lethargic. Ammonia is at 0 and Cupramine at .46 per Hannah. SG is .023. Im going to check nitrite and some other parameters but any advice welcome.
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Unlikely, Uronema follows the scale line, so you get linear lesions. Primary bacterial infections tend to grow in a circular pattern (like bacteria does on a petri dish). However, mixed infections of Uronema and bacteria is pretty common.
Uronema used to be 100% misdiagnosed as an injury followed by a bacterial infection - looking at how the disease progresses visually, that seemed to be the best diagnosis. It wasn't until we began taking skin scrapes of the lesions and looking at them under a microscope that we discovered there were Uronema protozoans involved.
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The growing lesion, regardless of its cause, is an issue. However, both fish were eating and now neither is?
How are you testing ammonia?
Nitrite is non-toxic to marine fish, so that won't be an issue.
Do you know the pH?
As I mentioned, Cupramine is harsher than chelated copper products on angels, but I'm still suprised if that is the cause of them not eating.
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