Water cloudy

[bjledbetter]

I was having a bad bryopsis outbreak and decided to get clean all the rock and take out the sand bed. I took the rock out and let them sit overnight with heat on them to dry them out, then put them in h2o2 for a couple hours and then washed them off to return to the tank. While I was working on the rock I took out almost all of the sand bed but i didn't get it all. Now my tank is cloudy and all of my corals have died. Here is the strange thing all my parameters are testing fine. Any one got any ideas?
Parameters: CA:510 Mag 1380 Alk 9.8 Nitrates 0 phosophates 0
I did have 4 nems die but I have done large water changes and it has done absolutely no good.

 

[revsgirl]

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[Isoprene]

could heating the rocks produce some type of chemical, maybe from dying bacteria? IDK just throwing random things out there?

 

[cdrewferd]

How deep was your sand bed? You could have released a lot of bad stuff into the water when you took it out. Most who remove an active sandbed do it over a couple weeks or months so there is only a little harmful stuff released at a time.

How was your ammonia testing? I bet between the sandbed and the 4 nems dieing you had a huge ammonia spike and that took out everything.

 

[bjledbetter]

How deep was your sand bed? You could have released a lot of bad stuff into the water when you took it out. Most who remove an active sandbed do it over a couple weeks or months so there is only a little harmful stuff released at a time.

How was your ammonia testing? I bet between the sandbed and the 4 nems dieing you had a huge ammonia spike and that took out everything.

Ammonia was sky high but is now back to almost back to 0 after several large water changes. The sand bed wasn't very deep as I've been sucking it out for quite some time before completely removing the rest that was under the lr when doing weekly water changes. I would say the ammonia is what killed the corals but it had no I'll affect on the fish. If it was removing the sand bed that is keeping the tank cloudy is there a way to fix it without a complete tank break down? I've done several 40 gallon wc's on it to no affect

 

[cdrewferd]

Can you run filter socks for a while? That type of mechanical filtration might help to clear up the water.

 

[bjledbetter]

Can you run filter socks for a while? That type of mechanical filtration might help to clear up the water.

I don't know if I can or not? I've never used one. how do they work? These questions may sound dumb but I have no idea on alot of this stuff.

 

[robert]

Sorry to hear of your troubles -
mechanical filtration may help some depending on the size of the particulate - google "filter sock" -
another option is to use a flocculant - zeovit coral snow for example -

I have used bentonite on numerous occasions and it works quite well for me. You can get it at a good vitamin shop for around $8 for a 16 oz bottle. - make sure its free of any flavorings - I use Great Plains brand.
add 1/4 to 1/2 tsp in 16 oz of tank water and shake vigorously until all the clumps are gone - it will look like watered down milk.
Add this to the tank - It should clear in a few hours. I've never had it hurt fish, inverts or corals - but use at your own risk.

 

[Reefing Madness]

I don't know if I can or not? I've never used one. how do they work? These questions may sound dumb but I have no idea on alot of this stuff.

Yea, you can run a mechanical filter to clear up the water, I'd go with the filter first before adding more chemicals to the tank. Also, a sure fire cure for Bryopsis is raising your MAG to 1600 for a short period of time, this will kill it off.
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Fill the trays up with Bonded Filter Pas and Filter Floss, this will clear it right up. Unless your getting the cloudiness because of the Ammonia Bloom, which in case you are going to have to ait out the re-cycling of your tank.

 

[robert]

Yea, you can run a mechanical filter to clear up the water, I'd go with the filter first before adding more chemicals to the tank. Also, a sure fire cure for Bryopsis is raising your MAG to 1600 for a short period of time, this will kill it off.
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Fill the trays up with Bonded Filter Pas and Filter Floss, this will clear it right up. Unless your getting the cloudiness because of the Ammonia Bloom, which in case you are going to have to ait out the re-cycling of your tank.

I find it a bit ironic that on one hand you caution on adding "more chemicals" and on the other your recommend raising mag levels to 1600. Raising mag to 1600 is not a sure fire solution. Raising MAG with Kent or Brightwell band supplements apparently is however. It is speculated that some "unidentified" constituent in these two brands is the effective agent, not the mag.

Mechanical filtration is only as effective as the media employed. Using a canister filter as shown can be effective removing particulates down to the 5 micon level. Below this you usually need specifically designed cartridge filters or diatmaceous earth filters. These are generally referred to as "water polishers" and since they require high power and clog easily, they can be a bit of a pain to use.

The JEBO filter shown is alright. I had one. It is rather flimsy and tends to develop leaks (cracks) at the intake and outflow fittings. Mine lasted about a year - when the filter accidentally ran dry the motor overheated and melted the plastic housing. Other than this issue, it was adequate to run media in - carbon, purigen, chemi-pure etc. I would recommend if you choose a cheap canister filter - you get one with a bottom mounted motor to avoid the melt down scenario.

Bentonite clay does not affect your water chemistry. It works because at the ionic level it carries an electric charge which attracts other charged molecules. This attraction "focculates" (clumps) organics and other sub-micon fines around itself, which in turn then is large enough to filter or settle. This is how zeovit coral snow works - this is how the product I posted works. The difference is zeovite charges > $50.00 for 500mls of their product, while what I posted costs <$8.00 for the same amount.

This is nothing new - bentonite clay has been used to clear cloudy water forever. (its even in some of the salt mixes you buy) - it used to be called koi-clay. But suit yourself - good luck.

 

[Reefing Madness]

Sorry man, think what you like, but there is enough Googling out there for these people to do, and you type in How to Kill Bryopsis and the thing yoiu come up with the most is RAISING MAG. Dont' have to go off what I'm saying, hell I'm the new guy here. But.....I'm also not wrong about it either. Been doing this close to 15 years. This one is one of the proven killers.
Filter Floss and Bonded filter, with enough flow in the tank will clear up the water, no need to run a diatom filter or anything of the sort.

 

[robert]

The OP wanted to know how to clear a cloudy tank - not eliminate bryopsis. A debate on the effect and downsides of elevated mag is for another thread.
A cloudy tank will usually clear on its own. If you want to clear it up faster - a focculant works for pennies. A JEBO filter is probably a waste of money for these purposes.

 

[Reefing Madness]

[/COLOR]]I was having a bad bryopsis outbreak and decided to get clean all the rock and take out the sand bed. I took the rock out and let them sit overnight with heat on them to dry them out, then put them in h2o2 for a couple hours and then washed them off to return to the tank. While I was working on the rock I took out almost all of the sand bed but i didn't get it all. Now my tank is cloudy and all of my corals have died. Here is the strange thing all my parameters are testing fine. Any one got any ideas?
Parameters: CA:510 Mag 1380 Alk 9.8 Nitrates 0 phosophates 0
I did have 4 nems die but I have done large water changes and it has done absolutely no good.

Hey Robert, you are following along with this thread, right? I recommended a different way of doing....If there is a next time. Now, care to help the guy, or you just want a piece of me for some reason?
I would rather up the MAG, which by the way, your system uses anyways, instead of using a Biotox, that your system does not need, nor does it use.

 

[Reefing Madness]

The OP wanted to know how to clear a cloudy tank - not eliminate bryopsis. A debate on the effect and downsides of elevated mag is for another thread.
A cloudy tank will usually clear on its own. If you want to clear it up faster - a focculant works for pennies. A JEBO filter is probably a waste of money for these purposes.

You are entitled to your opinion on Filters. I am entitled to mine, and being as i've had the Jebo for over 2 years, it is one that I would recommend. Now, are you finished here dude? Go find someone else to pick on, you are not going to win one here.

 

[robert]

Hey Madness,

The OP has a ninety gallon and despite his bryopsis problem, in the past, he has posted some remarkable pictures of his damsels breeding.
His bryopsis problem is nothing new. He has posted about it before.
He was already aware of the Mag treatment and said he was starting it a couple of months back. One thing led to another and he lost his tank.
check out https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/reef-chemistry-forum/95356-reef-aquarium-fact-211-tech-m.html. Hes about the fourth post down.
His other posts can be found in his profile - I'll leave it to you to catch up.

In his current post - he was looking for help clearing his water short of a complete break-down. Not how to control bryopsis and not what equipment he should buy to run a reef tank. He's been running a tank for years.
I gave him something to try which I thought he might not know about and which could cause no further harm.

I don't want to debate you, mag dosing or JEBO filters as I don't think any of these are well considered.