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hey guys I recently started talking to sing and I've been told that if your water gets to "clean" as in 0 nitrate and phosphates. they can actually kill your zoes and other corals. is this true?
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I've heard that too and know of people with zero nitrates that can't keep zoas. I have only softies and lps in my tank and keep the nitrates at about 10 and they're thriving.

Here is the problem. People use the word "nutrients" and "clean" to refer to Nitrate/Phosphate as well as the amount of organic food in the water. You cannot measure the latter. If you look at the params of a wild reef, nitrates and phosphate are absolutely undetectable. The corals do not particularly want to eat Nitrate/Phosphate (I'm sure they consume some, but not nearly as much as a clam or sponge). They get energy from their symbiotic algae as well as they eat a LOT of food. (Post #30: Home blended coral food, (used to be $5) - Page 3) People are thinking about it backwards. You cannot over-skim or make a tank "too clean". You can only underfeed (based on your stock and filtration capability of course). If your tank can't handle a lot of coral food, and your corals are acting like they could use some "nutrients" (referring to FOOD), then up the feedings that your fish get. Corals love fish waste.
The myth about zoas and LPS not being able to live in water without some nitrate/phosphate is because a messier tank may have more food floating around, but if your levels are that high, it is not being cleaned up fast enough by your filtration. And since nitrate/phosphate can be tested and the amount of food present cannot, people say "oh look, they like the nitrate and phosphate". But in truth, they are simply tolerating it and the nitrate/phosphate is just a bi-product of food and fish waste.
I have seen "dirty" tanks and the cleanest of tanks that have the most colorful sps growing out of the water be able to grow zoanthids like nobody's business!
You need a steady religious schedule of water changes if you can change the equipment. Try lifting your lights and feeding heavier, but find the balance to where the food isnt wasted and rots in the tank. The steady WC's will help with this.
I have always maintained by tanks to have low levels of nitrate and phosphates and it has never caused a problem with my Zoandthids and Palys having any issue doing well in my tanks. I've heard this excuse many times. With that being said, I don't think they mind being in tank with elevated levels of either. They certainly are a lot more tolerable than other corals.
It's not really an excuse. Mine do better with some nitrates in the tank. Each tank is unique.
+1 to that. I agree completely I'm just going to try and keep my really low like 10-15 that way it's clean, but theres still a little in the water that the corals can benefit from of need be. If things don't get better then I'll try getting them as close to zero as possible.
I think it also might have to do with how fast phos/trates are lowered. Everything should be a gradual transition...... The slower the better.

