Water vanishing?

[Notsolostfish]

Okay, so I made my waterbox emergency pipe higher for noise, because waterbox told me they drilled my tank wrong, and the emergency pipe should be higher, and more to the back. So i cut the emergency pipe, and made it a bit a higher. Now when I adjust the gate valve for the water to match the emergency pipe just right below it.

My ato kicks in, and then drops kicks in again, and then the water drops its a non stop cycle. The water is not sitting still. And im getting concerned. Is that means I’m draining too fast? And I need to slow down my pump from 50%? Thank you

 

[KrisReef]

Can you slide a fitting on the end and make it higher? Maybe a 90?

 

[Notsolostfish]

Can you slide a fitting on the end and make it higher? Maybe a 90?

Make what higher the emergency pipe?

 

[KrisReef]

Make what higher the emergency pipe?

If that is what is messing with the ATO and system stability, if you can raise it so it's not spilling all the time I think that would still provide a drain when you need it to.?

 

[Notsolostfish]

If that is what is messing with the ATO and system stability, if you can raise it so it's not spilling all the time I think that would still provide a drain when you need it to.?

The water is not spilling into the emergency pipe. The issue happens when I try to adjust the gate valve for the water to be under the emegency pipe. Then my water level in the return pump starts dropping. Ato kicks in fill to the sensor, water drops again, ato kicks in again, and it’s never ending loop

 

[KrisReef]

The water is not spilling into the emergency pipe. The issue happens when I try to adjust the gate valve for the water to be under the emegency pipe. Then my water level in the return pump starts dropping. Ato kicks in fill to the sensor, water drops again, ato kicks in again, and it’s never ending loop

Sorry, I'm gonna let another have a go at this one. I have had valves on return pipes and pumps in the past and they were always giving me a headache like the one you are describing. Sorry, hope it gets resolved and functional quickly.

 

[Reefering1]

The more you slow the drain, the higher the water level in display. This results in lower level in Return chamber and ato steps in. What happens if you set the drain to what makes it quiet and just let it do its thing? It should find its spot and maintain level. Is the water level in overflow steady or fluctuating? How about the display

 

[Notsolostfish]

The more you slow the drain, the higher the water level in display. This results in lower level in Return chamber and ato steps in. What happens if you set the drain to what makes it quiet and just let it do its thing? It should find its spot and maintain level. Is the water level in overflow steady or fluctuating? How about the display

If i let it do its thing. It stops at a water level in the return chamber im not happy with. Too low. What should i do? Its crazy issue

 

[Notsolostfish]

The more you slow the drain, the higher the water level in display. This results in lower level in Return chamber and ato steps in. What happens if you set the drain to what makes it quiet and just let it do its thing? It should find its spot and maintain level. Is the water level in overflow steady or fluctuating? How about the display

Please watch the video. And tell me what should I do.

 

[Jamie814]

Now when I adjust the gate valve for the water to match the emergency pipe just right below it.

Looking at the INFINIA 190.5 drain diagram on BRS you only have 2 drains and one is the "emergency" drain. You need to set the main drain with the valve so that a small amount of water drains down the emergency drain.

You will NEVER be able to dial the main drain to match your return pump exactly which is why you need to dial it in so that a small amount of water goes into the emergency drain at all times to prevent the fluctuating water level you are seeing. It really isn't the best drain setup. You should have 3 drains (full siphon) (Durso) and dry (emergency).
Hope this helps!

 

[Notsolostfish]

Looking at the INFINIA 190.5 drain diagram on BRS you only have 2 drains and one is the "emergency" drain. You need to set the main drain with the valve so that a small amount of water drains down the emergency drain.

You will NEVER be able to dial the main drain to match your return pump exactly which is why you need to dial it in so that a small amount of water goes into the emergency drain at all times to prevent the fluctuating water level you are seeing. It really isn't the best drain setup. You should have 3 drains (full siphon) (Durso) and dry (emergency).
Hope this helps!

Im sorry no this doesn’t help. Because my tank is defective and waterbox told me to make my emergency pipe higher. And put it with 2 45s at the back. So I can’t reach the top of the emergency pipe regardless to get water in. Its stupid. But yeah

 

[Jamie814]

Im sorry no this doesn’t help.

Your fighting physics, what you are trying to do with a single valved drain is not possible, to many variables, and you will be in a never-ending loop, which I think you have already discovered.

The only solution to a setup like you have is to have a small amount of water drain down the emergency drain at all times. You have to use some elbows and get the emergency drain to where you can get it lower and away from the overflow teeth. Its the only option unless you want to convert the drain with the valve to a Durso with no valve.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Okay, so I made my waterbox emergency pipe higher for noise, because waterbox told me they drilled my tank wrong, and the emergency pipe should be higher, and more to the back. So i cut the emergency pipe, and made it a bit a higher. Now when I adjust the gate valve for the water to match the emergency pipe just right below it.

My ato kicks in, and then drops kicks in again, and then the water drops its a non stop cycle. The water is not sitting still. And im getting concerned. Is that means I’m draining too fast? And I need to slow down my pump from 50%? Thank you

Please provide a pic under white lighting of what you describing

 

[Jamie814]

Please watch the video.

Why can't you just close the drain valve more until the water just trickles into the emergency drain? This would stabilize your tank and sump water level.

 

[Notsolostfish]

Your fighting physics, what you are trying to do with a single valved drain is not possible, to many variables, and you will be in a never-ending loop, which I think you have already discovered.

The only solution to a setup like you have is to have a small amount of water drain down the emergency drain at all times. You have to use some elbows and get the emergency drain to where you can get it lower and away from the overflow teeth. Its the only option unless you want to convert the drain with the valve to a Durso with no valve.

The emegency pipe is already on 2 45s and away from the teeth I already did that. Whats not possible though im confused? Can u break it down for me?

 

[Notsolostfish]

Why can't you just close the drain valve more until the water just trickles into the emergency drain? This would stabilize your tank and sump water level.

Because my emergency pipe is not your average height anymore it’s higher than what waterbox usually have them on for the height…. Remember I modified it. And that’s exactly what I’m trying to do get the trickle inside the emergency pipe. But everytime i try to reach the emergency pipe height. Water starts dropping my sump which is normal obviously. But I can’t make a balance then I lost the balance completely. If I fill the sump more it drops the level at the top. And if i drop the top i lose level the sump. Im beyond confused

 

[Jamie814]

Whats not possible though im confused? Can u break it down for me?

Your return pump is NEVER going to pump the exact same amount of water at all times. Its going to fluctuate. Your drain with the valve should be set to handle lets say 95% of this water, the remaining 5% needs to flow into the emergency drain back to the sump.

You said you raised the emergency drain, it still needs to be low enough so that water can flow into it. If you made it higher than the rim of your tank it's useless and the water is going to flow onto the floor before utilizing it.

Keep closing the main drain valve in small amounts until the water level inside your overflow starts to trickle into the emergency drain, then stop and leave it there. This is all you need to do...

If your water level in your sumps drops to much during this add more water.

 

[Notsolostfish]

Please provide a pic under white lighting of what you describing

Alright let me break it down.

 

[Notsolostfish]

Your return pump is NEVER going to pump the exact same amount of water at all times. Its going to fluctuate. Your drain with the valve should be set to handle lets say 95% of this water, the remaining 5% needs to flow into the emergency drain back to the sump.

You said you raised the emergency drain, it still needs to be low enough so that water can flow into it. If you made it higher than the rim of your tank it's useless and the water is going to flow onto the floor before utilizing it.

Keep closing the main drain valve in small amounts until the water level inside your overflow starts to trickle into the emergency drain, then stop and leave it there. This is all you need to do...

If your water level in your sumps drops to much during this add more water.

Its not higher than the rim but at the same time high enough I cant have a trickle goes into it

 

[Reefering1]

If i let it do its thing. It stops at a water level in the return chamber im not happy with. Too low. What should i do? Its crazy issue

What's wrong with water level in return chamber(as shown in vid)? Seems ideal to me. Looks quiet.(?)
Simple option is to raise ato sensors to accomplish desired level.
What happens if you open drain valve and raise pump speed, can a balance be found?
More importantly, is that emergency drain too high to go into full syphon and handle full flow without overflow? You can shut the valve to test it. Ideally it will handle the flow and/ or return pump runs out of water before overflow. My tank only has 2 drains also. I cut a "T" fitting to accomplish silence while allowing some flow down emergency pipe. The open top allows full syphon faster and it does handle all flow if primary drain is completely blocked(tested and proven).