We should always QT

[Voltaire81]

Ill try to summarize quickly. I have a 150g tank now with a pair of swallowtails, pair of clowns, couple of gobies, royal gramma, and a mandarin. They all went through TTM and 4 weeks of observation. They have been in the tank for ~2 months.

Anyway, I purchased a 225 system a couple of weeks ago with 6 tangs (purple, scopas, sailfin, lemon mimic, atlantic blue, and powder brown). He's had the fish for 2 years and had an ich outbreak a year ago. He treated the tangs with copper and left the tank fallow for 70+days.

Well, I picked up the tangs last week. I told myself to put them in a 35g QT for a couple of weeks just to make sure all is well, but was afraid that the QT was too small. Unfortunately, I didnt listen to myself. I decided to add them to my existing tank.

Of course, I woke up this morning with white spots on the purple, scopas, and sailfin.

I have a 35g, 20g, and a 10g available for hospital tanks. Im thinking of the following for treatments:

- 4-5 tangs in the 35g with CP or copper or hypo
- 1-2 tangs + clowns + gobies + royal gramma in the 20g with CP or copper or hypo
- 2 angels in the 10g.

Im not sure I can pull of TTM with this many fish. I figure I would need at least 2 50-75 gallon tanks to pull it off.

Recipe for disaster?

 

[Blue Lip]

I think petco has the $1 per gallon sale going now but about to end.

 

[melypr1985]

Not a recipe for disaster at all. At least you have all the equipment you need for Qt. That mandarin will not tolerate the copper, so you may want to go with hypo for him and his group. Good luck and keep us posted!

 

[Voltaire81]

Came home and the white spots on the sail fun and scopas are gone. There are still some on the purple. Attached are a couple of pics (sorry for bad iPhone pics). Am I dealing with ich?

 

[Humblefish]

@Voltaire81 Looks like ich to me.

 

[melypr1985]

The Doc has spoken and I agree it looks like ick to me as well.

 

[Voltaire81]

Dang, but i have to ask one more question.

Yesterday, i marked two white spots in his body (one between the eyes and one on the top of the right eye). This morning they were gone but there are still spots on his body.

Doc (@Humblefish) - Do these spots (ich) move constantly? I marked 3 more spots this morning and will check later today if it moved.

I just want to make sure these are not just loose particles/sand. I guess im hoping not to put the fish through treatment (as well as myself ).

 

[Humblefish]

Doc (@Humblefish) - Do these spots (ich) move constantly? I marked 3 more spots this morning and will check later today if it moved.

Ich trophonts are stationary, so a white spot from that should remain in the same location for 3-7 days. And if you look closely, the white spot should appear to be under the fish's outer skin layer. Same holds true for velvet, except velvet trophonts are usually a lot more numerous and smaller than ich.

Skin flukes (when visible) slowly roll over the outside of a fish's skin. But they are usually not bright white like that.

Grains of sand can sometimes get stuck to a fish's mucous coat, especially if you have a critter in the tank that likes to throw it around everywhere. It will dangle off the fish and usually be gone in a matter of hours.

 

[Voltaire81]

Thanks Doc! Ill get a hold of a magnifying glass and see if the white spots appear to be under the skin or determine if its grain of sand.

 

[Voltaire81]

The same spots that I marked are now gone. I got a hold of a magnifying glass but its too difficult for me to tell if its under the skin or sand.

Its unfortunate, but I may have to treat.

 

[ReefMadScientist]

I think adding that many Tangs that quickly is probably what did it. They got stressed and scared.

For what its worth.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/so-my-hippo-has-ich-who-cares.155605/

 

[Voltaire81]

Just a quick update: I went out of town this past weekend and when I came back, the purple no longer had any white spots.

My plan was to catch them all Sunday, but Im just leaving them alone in the 100 now. I hope everything is ok and it was just sand.