What is happening to my reef?!

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Pretty new to this forum, so hi! I'm Corey. My tank is 24 gallons and I have had it running about 6 months. I filled it with zoas. I have maybe 25 zoa frags and 2 decent sized colonies. Also have 3 acans, 2 birdsnest and an encrusting montipora. All of these looked absolutely stunning in my tank and growth was great. But, in the last month or so things have gone downhill. Some zoas died, some shriveled up or look small and solid, some are doing that inverted umbrella thing that zoas do and a couple look good as ever. The acans and birds nest are doing great still so no change.

Stocking list: 1 six line, ~5 snails, ~5 hermit crabs, 2-3 emerald crabs. I also had 2 clownfish but one took a leap onto the floor and the other died while I wasn't home. My mom said he was in the surface skimmer but was still alive and then later died. He looked healthy and I saw no obvious signs of disease.

Parameters:
temp: 79-80
sg: 1.025
Am: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 5-10
alk: 8.5
Ca: 400
Mag: 1300ish
Phos: 0.03

Other relevant info: I had a hair algae and bryopsis outbreak about a month ago where it was covering the rocks and was between the zoas on some frags. I declared war on the bryopsis algae! picked out and siphoned out as much as possible several times a week and several small water changes a week. This helped with the hair algae but the bryopsis laughed at me. I added a giant emerald crab that my cousin didn't want anymore and he ate all the remaining hair algae and picks at bryopsis occasionally. Solved my hair algae problem, its gone going on about a month with none. To get the bryopsis off the zoa plugs i dipped the plug part in 3% h2o2 and the entire plug in 50% h2o2, 50% tank water. Repeated the process a few times for some of them over a couple weeks. Some zoas were ticked off and some were unphased but they all looked good after about a week.

Bryopsis, while reduced a little, was still on the plugs. I added some gfo. Maybe too much, too quickly so I removed it after running it for 1-2 weeks. It helped with the algae but bugged some corals (I don't think the gfo was the culprit because corals I've added weeks after removing it are still not looking too hot and phosphate is 0.03).

The bryopsis is under control. Still around but a lot less. Then, i stopped doing anything. Just left the tank alone for a couple weeks aside from water changes. Even my established colonies that were growing like crazy are mostly closed and look very angry. Been trying everything. My alk was at 7 so I slowly brought it up to 8.5, Ca was at 320 (IO is so inconsistent, always mixes low for me) so i slowly raised that to 400 and Mag up to 1300 and started added 1/2 tb spoon of kalk per gallon to my ATO. Its kept these 3 params stable but still no improvement.

At this point I'm just lost. I don't know what it could be. Even newly added frags (added after all my algae removal efforts) look just okay or are clinging to life. Any ideas or tips would be greatly appreciated. I went from having a beautiful reef to dying tank and it seems the more I learn about reef keeping the worse it looks. Help!
 
Wow. Not sure where to start.

Pleas don't be offended your askinn I'm sayin and I've totally blown it in the past that's how I know stuff now.

Too much too soon.
Too much peroxide on zoas.
Massive cal and alk use my just the montis.
Crabs are not to be trusted ever. You have a lot of big ones in a very very small tank and I'll assume you don't spot feed them.


Here's the thing what we do now. Will take weeks to see a result in most cases. Too much food for example. It's fine to feed way too much for weeks. Until it's a red slime mess on week four.
So the alk swings no Po massive oxidizers applied to coral. Possible but unknown damage bryopsis may do like strip iron and minerals plus nutrients may be very similar. So corals maybe ill and malnourished. thts going to take a little time.

Montis rip the cal right out of the tank IMO. A stylo will just stop getting bigger and just be idle but the darned monti wilt just keep growing. So much so if you break a pice off it's not stony. It's brittle or MUSH :eek:
Yea that was a bad day at my house.


If the alge is now at bay. Feed more quality foods. Check that it's getting pulled out. Do weekly water changes. What salt are you using. I'd get a gentle one IO perhaps.
Keep the sand and rocks clean. It'll really help. Fwiw my candy canes would shrivel and try to die if I put a tablespoon of gfo in my 30g. It strips PO fast out of the WV depending on the method.

Lower nutrients are a key to lowering alge growth but the coral needs food to so you have to balance that.

And it's a young tank. It so much different than a mature tank in its responses to changes and swings. It hard to explain really.
 
Parameters are good. Bryopsis is fighting for territory. Its like a weed choking out the ornamental flowers. Dipping can make your corals sad for a little while. It sounds like your doing the right things now. Its a pain and im guilty myself. Really should QT coral frags and treat for any incoming algea, and critters before adding to DT.
 
I appreciate the feedback! I probably did go too hard with the peroxide. I read some people were dipping zoas in straight 3% with no damage so I thought diluting it would be fine but still they weren't happy.

I actually do trust the emerald crabs. I was worried at first but I have watched them for hours over a couple months and have never seen one go after any coral and have never seen any signs of damage. Definitely a possibility but I am not very concerned about them.

I use reef crystals and spot feed the acans 1-2 times a weeks. Been doing frequent water changes hoping that would help too
 
I hear ya @stevo01. I should have quarantined but this was my first go at a reef tank and even though I read up heavily for months before starting it up, quartining was the last thing on my mind. Well, now I know better. If nothing else I've learned a ton with this tank. Hoping if I just keep things stable for awhile things will come back
 
And there are some that look great still. Look good as ever right next to others that are shriveled and closed. Although, the "angry" zoas outnumber the happy zoas.
 
I appreciate the feedback! I probably did go too hard with the peroxide. I read some people were dipping zoas in straight 3% with no damage so I thought diluting it would be fine but still they weren't happy.

I actually do trust the emerald crabs. I was worried at first but I have watched them for hours over a couple months and have never seen one go after any coral and have never seen any signs of damage. Definitely a possibility but I am not very concerned about them.

I use reef crystals and spot feed the acans 1-2 times a weeks. Been doing frequent water changes hoping that would help too

Keep an eye on them. As the algae goes away they could go for the zoas. Get out a flash light a couple hours after the lights go out. Look for any critters on your zoas at that time.
 
Keep an eye on them. As the algae goes away they could go for the zoas. Get out a flash light a couple hours after the lights go out. Look for any critters on your zoas at that time.

I was honestly thinking he may have critters munching away at the zoa's, or at least pestering them. Any sign of flatworms? Little nudi's? IMO the parameters were really pretty good for a first timer so I was in agreement with salty's theory of too many and too much too soon.

I'd start pulling the zoa plugs and get them under bright light and a magnifying glass to look for eggs. Remember, zoa eating nudi's take on the coloration of their meal. So they may be difficult to see at first, but the circular egg cases usually look light against the skin of the zoa so they should be easy to find.
 
I dip in Revive when the enter the tank and inspect pretty close (i think?). I did notice a ton of pods when i set the tank up early on and when walking across the zoas they would sometimes close but I haven't seen a single one since adding the 6 line. I will try to give the plugs a closer look for pests at some point
 
I dip in Revive when the enter the tank and inspect pretty close (i think?). I did notice a ton of pods when i set the tank up early on and when walking across the zoas they would sometimes close but I haven't seen a single one since adding the 6 line. I will try to give the plugs a closer look for pests at some point

I saw a zoa twitching one night, never saw that before so I got a flashlight and a magnifying glass and saw a pod eating the zoa from the inside! At first I thought the dang thing was having a seizure!
 
Pretty new to this forum, so hi! I'm Corey. My tank is 24 gallons and I have had it running about 6 months. I filled it with zoas. I have maybe 25 zoa frags and 2 decent sized colonies. Also have 3 acans, 2 birdsnest and an encrusting montipora. All of these looked absolutely stunning in my tank and growth was great. But, in the last month or so things have gone downhill. Some zoas died, some shriveled up or look small and solid, some are doing that inverted umbrella thing that zoas do and a couple look good as ever. The acans and birds nest are doing great still so no change.

Stocking list: 1 six line, ~5 snails, ~5 hermit crabs, 2-3 emerald crabs. I also had 2 clownfish but one took a leap onto the floor and the other died while I wasn't home. My mom said he was in the surface skimmer but was still alive and then later died. He looked healthy and I saw no obvious signs of disease.

Parameters:
temp: 79-80
sg: 1.025
Am: 0
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 5-10
alk: 8.5
Ca: 400
Mag: 1300ish
Phos: 0.03

Other relevant info: I had a hair algae and bryopsis outbreak about a month ago where it was covering the rocks and was between the zoas on some frags. I declared war on the bryopsis algae! picked out and siphoned out as much as possible several times a week and several small water changes a week. This helped with the hair algae but the bryopsis laughed at me. I added a giant emerald crab that my cousin didn't want anymore and he ate all the remaining hair algae and picks at bryopsis occasionally. Solved my hair algae problem, its gone going on about a month with none. To get the bryopsis off the zoa plugs i dipped the plug part in 3% h2o2 and the entire plug in 50% h2o2, 50% tank water. Repeated the process a few times for some of them over a couple weeks. Some zoas were ticked off and some were unphased but they all looked good after about a week.

Bryopsis, while reduced a little, was still on the plugs. I added some gfo. Maybe too much, too quickly so I removed it after running it for 1-2 weeks. It helped with the algae but bugged some corals (I don't think the gfo was the culprit because corals I've added weeks after removing it are still not looking too hot and phosphate is 0.03).

The bryopsis is under control. Still around but a lot less. Then, i stopped doing anything. Just left the tank alone for a couple weeks aside from water changes. Even my established colonies that were growing like crazy are mostly closed and look very angry. Been trying everything. My alk was at 7 so I slowly brought it up to 8.5, Ca was at 320 (IO is so inconsistent, always mixes low for me) so i slowly raised that to 400 and Mag up to 1300 and started added 1/2 tb spoon of kalk per gallon to my ATO. Its kept these 3 params stable but still no improvement.

At this point I'm just lost. I don't know what it could be. Even newly added frags (added after all my algae removal efforts) look just okay or are clinging to life. Any ideas or tips would be greatly appreciated. I went from having a beautiful reef to dying tank and it seems the more I learn about reef keeping the worse it looks. Help!

When all logic fails blame it on chemical warfare!!! Somebody in the tank wasn't happy and they let it be known. Coral aggression is a likely problem.
 
When all logic fails blame it on chemical warfare!!! Somebody in the tank wasn't happy and they let it be known. Coral aggression is a likely problem.

A very useful website is wetwebmedia. A search for allelopathy returned some 1250 strings regarding the "chemical warfare"...copy and paste the string if you like. Warning you can and will spend countless hours on their site!

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/results....aqs.htm&ref=www.google.com/&ss=2536j695138j11
 

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