What is this disease?

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

Can anyone give me a ID on what this is?

MERKEY · Jan 31, 2020

Looks like ich...

Unless the spots get so bad you can't count them, then it could be velvet.

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

MERKEY said:
Looks like ich...

Unless the spots get so bad you can't count them, then it could be velvet.

It doesn't look like Ich to me.. The spots are larger than ich and oblong.

35ppt · Jan 31, 2020

Did you try a FW dip?

MERKEY · Jan 31, 2020

drbogger said:
It doesn't look like Ich to me.. The spots are larger than ich and oblong.

Possibly skin flukes....but those are usually on the body.

A fresh water dip, if you are ok with that would rule flukes out.

LAReefer4Life · Jan 31, 2020

The photos are blurry. Can repost some clear photos? I am inclined to think it's ich.

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

Here is the only other photo I managed to get. Hope this helps.

I've been treating with ParaGuard for the last 2 weeks, then this morning I found 4 fish dead. I did a water change this morning after this happened.

Then tonight I found 5 more fish dead, and I found these white oblong spots on my pajama cardinals. These spots were not there this morning.

All of my cardinals seem to be fine, none of them have died yet...

Everything has been fine for the past 2 weeks, up until today.

LAReefer4Life · Jan 31, 2020

drbogger said:
Here is the only other photo I managed to get. Hope this helps.

I've been treating with ParaGuard for the last 2 weeks, then this morning I found 4 fish dead. I did a water change this morning after this happened.

Then tonight I found 5 more fish dead, and I found these white oblong spots on my pajama cardinals. These spots were not there this morning.

All of my cardinals seem to be fine, none of them have died yet...

Everything has been fine for the past 2 weeks, up until today.

Thats ich and paraguard doesn't treat it. You need copper

MERKEY · Jan 31, 2020

How big is your tank?

How old is your tank?

I still think its ich but with so many deaths so fast it could be velvet. Any fish swim into the power heads or hiding and not eating?

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

pathot984 said:
Thats ich

But I've dealt with ich before, and these spots are about double the size of any ich that I've ever seen. Plus wouldn't the ParaGuard prevent ich from occurring?

How confident are you that's it's ich?

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

MERKEY said:
How big is your tank?

How old is your tank?

I still think its ich but with so many deaths so fast it could be velvet. Any fish swim into the power heads or hiding and not eating?

They are holding tanks, total water volume of 90 gallons.

I know it's not Velvet, I've dealt with velvet before, these spots are WAYY too large to be velvet.

And no, I've seen no odd behaviors at all.. Just sudden death.

35ppt · Jan 31, 2020

Doesn't look like velvet to me, much too large. The second picture does look more like ich.

MERKEY · Jan 31, 2020

drbogger said:
They are holding tanks, total water volume of 90 gallons.

I know it's not Velvet, I've dealt with velvet before, these spots are WAYY too large to be velvet.

And no, I've seen no odd behaviors at all.. Just sudden death.

It looks like ich but the sudden deaths are what's throwing me off.

Ich usually isnt a sudden killer, especially of THAT many fish that quickly.

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

So I woke up this morning to the spots gone on the Pajama Cardinals.. However now my Chalk Bass have the spots...

Oh, and 3 more deaths.

Keepswiming · Jan 31, 2020

Look up lymphocystis?

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

Keepswiming said:
Look up lymphocystis?

I was thinking either that or flukes... I've never had flukes, so I don't really know what that looks like.

Keepswiming · Jan 31, 2020

drbogger said:
I was thinking either that or flukes... I've never had flukes, so I don't really know what that looks like.

Lesions look to dense to me for it to
Be flukes, unless advanced stages. Look on all the fishes eyes... does it look like they have a film over them or are they clear?
Sometimes it looks like the film is peeling off the eye. This would be flukes. Are your fish darting across the tank, scratching on the bottom or rocks, sitting in front of power heads, or breathing rapidly? This could indicate gill infection pointing towards flukes as well.

Without a closeup photo/video it’s hard to tell. Looks more like Lymph. to me, if it is not ich as everyone mentioned. I have had some LARGE ich infections in the past. If your fish/tank is new, ich can kill a stressed out fish acutely.

Regardless, given the history and condition of the fish, I would remove and treat all. Good luck!

drbogger · Jan 31, 2020

Keepswiming said:
Lesions look to dense to me for it to
Be flukes, unless advanced stages. Look on all the fishes eyes... does it look like they have a film over them or are they clear?
Sometimes it looks like the film is peeling off the eye. This would be flukes. Are your fish darting across the tank, scratching on the bottom or rocks, sitting in front of power heads, or breathing rapidly? This could indicate gill infection pointing towards flukes as well.

Without a closeup photo/video it’s hard to tell. Looks more like Lymph. to me, if it is not ich as everyone mentioned. I have had some LARGE ich infections in the past. If your fish/tank is new, ich can kill a stressed out fish acutely.

Regardless, given the history and condition of the fish, I would remove and treat all. Good luck!

This is the quarantine/holding system, and I've been medicating with ParaGuard for the past 2 weeks.

I really doesn't look like ich to me, but I guess it's possible?