What is wrong with my CBB's gill?!?

Biff0rz

Valuable Member
View Badges
Joined
Jul 9, 2020
Messages
1,773
Reaction score
966
Location
USA
Rating - 100%
2   0   0
Well established cbb (1yr+). The fish is eating, swimming, acting normally, picking at rocks. I noticed his one gill was sticking out a bit more than the other one. What is going on here? It's like something is growing inside it. Is this something I need to take care of somehow?? Help!
PXL_20220213_213810307.jpg
PXL_20220213_213712344.jpg


Video
 
Well established cbb (1yr+). The fish is eating, swimming, acting normally, picking at rocks. I noticed his one gill was sticking out a bit more than the other one. What is going on here? It's like something is growing inside it. Is this something I need to take care of somehow?? Help!
PXL_20220213_213810307.jpg
PXL_20220213_213712344.jpg


Video
Well, the gills are nice and dark red so no anemia. Thyroid tumors/goiter can press a gill open like that, but you can usually see white solid tissue inside. Did it come on suddenly? Any chance it is mechanical damage?
Jay
 
Well, the gills are nice and dark red so no anemia. Thyroid tumors/goiter can press a gill open like that, but you can usually see white solid tissue inside. Did it come on suddenly? Any chance it is mechanical damage?
Jay
Jay - take a look at expanded pic below. Do I see some type of tube or isopod and bottom Of gill ?

1644801717291.png
 
Jay - take a look at expanded pic below. Do I see some type of tube or isopod and bottom Of gill ?

1644801717291.png
Yes, I thought hat was just skin….not very clear though.

Jay
 
Yes, I thought hat was just skin….not very clear though.

Jay
Strange- Looking mine of 4 years and it does have anything that looks like that.
 
This one has me intrigued,
question here ,if tumor/goiter or isopod attached to inner gill plate ,not touching body.
could a hypodermic needle be used to try to "drain" either ,without fish bleeding out,
then possible treatment ?

What do the Dr's recommend for treatment here ?
@vetteguy53081 @Jay Hemdal
Thank you.
 
This one has me intrigued,
question here ,if tumor/goiter or isopod attached to inner gill plate ,not touching body.
could a hypodermic needle be used to try to "drain" either ,without fish bleeding out,
then possible treatment ?

What do the Dr's recommend for treatment here ?
@vetteguy53081 @Jay Hemdal
Thank you.
Unless one knows how to apply needle, that is if necessary, I would not do it especially with fish currently eating and functioning normally otherwise
 
@Biff0rz

Is it possible to catch the fish and take a better pic of the affected gill? No need to remove from water. For example, net fish, bring almost to surface and position fish to get a good clear shot of the gill? I know my CBB will swim into a net for mysis lol.

With a lot of fish and corals I have seen coming in, isopods have been very common the past few weeks. 1 year in tank CBB, it did not come in with it, or you would have seen it sooner, but if a new coral was added and one was missed, could be a possibility.

Not saying it is an isopod, but would help rule it out and maybe help ID what it is.
 
I can catch him at any time, he eats out of my hand. Here's another video. If you think I need to catch him I will do that but I think that might freak him out a bit and give a lesser quality of video/pic.

 
There seems to be something foreign in his right gill.
His respiration is also increased, judging by the rate of movement on the gill.

If your CBB shows signs of any deterioration, loss of appetite or lethargy, and you feel is worth it to spend 10 bucks on, try this.

I'd pull him out to a QT tank with the absolute minimal amount of water, just enough so he doesn't feel panicky and get 100% clove oil like this: https://www.amazon.com/Clove-100-Therapeutic-Grade-Essential/dp/B00PM7S5R6 .This is not the brand I used. I don't remember what brand it was. But just make sure you get one that is 100% clove oil.
An artificial version is tricaine methanesulfonate, but I don't have specific experience with this. It was another suggestion by my vet. I'm assuming there are instructions if you want to use this.
https://pentairaes.com/tricainer-s-topical-anesthetics-ms-222.html

The procedure is a lot less scary than it sounds. I've had to do this with a freshwater Red Arowana dragonfish a long long time ago to try to solve a similar issue. He ended up with some kind of small parasitic worm latched onto the inner side of the gill plate. I'm not claiming this is the actual diagnosis in your case, but this is only for further examination and potential resolution, if you really care about the fish enough. In my case, this was needed on a fish worth thousands of dollars. Yes I was a little anxious, but I needed to do it. The vet was going to charge me much more than what the fish was worth and I didn't have the funds at that time. I was gratuitous that at least he wrote down the following instructions to use at my own risk, which turned out well.

If you are going the clove oil route, put 5 drops, per gallon of water of the qt tank (hence, why minimal amount of water in QT as per above): a drop is sized from a disposable 3 mL pipette like this Wait a while, of about 8 minutes. The CBB's gills will start to slow and he will lose balance and seem to tip over to the side. If not, then drip 2 more drops, per 8 or so minutes until the fish is listless and completely floating around on its side. The gills will still be moving. I'm sorry for the crude estimation, but I can't tell you the exact science of exact dosage of clove oil. All I know is from my vet's instructions and my one time anecdotal experience. This amount of time and drops is safe to use until the fish is sedated.

After tranquilization, see if there is any foreign body on the gill. Make sure you have a forcep or something similar to open the gill flap. Whatever it is, from the video, there appears to be a foreign body in the gill. I am not a vet and this is not professional diagnosis whatsoever. I'm just trying to help.

I know what it feels like to have something go bad with a long time fish and at worst case it would have cost you 10 bucks of clove oil. What have you got to lose, if the your CBB shows signs of futher deterioration and eventual loss? This operation was a success on my Red Arrowana had a long long time ago. Good luck!
 
Last edited:
As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases.
There is definitely something foreign in his right gill.
His respiration is also increased, judging by the rate of movement on the gill.

If your CBB shows signs of any deterioration, loss of appetite or lethargy, and you feel is worth it to spend 10 bucks on, try this.

I'd pull him out to a QT tank with the absolute minimal amount of water, just enough so he doesn't feel panicky and get 100% clove oil like this: https://www.amazon.com/Clove-100-Therapeutic-Grade-Essential/dp/B00PM7S5R6 .This is not the brand I used. I don't remember what brand it was. But just make sure you get one that is 100% clove oil.
An artificial version is tricaine methanesulfonate, but I don't have specific experience with this. It was another suggestion by my vet. I'm assuming there are instructions if you want to use this.
https://pentairaes.com/tricainer-s-topical-anesthetics-ms-222.html

The procedure is a lot less scary than it sounds. I've had to do this with a freshwater Red Arowana dragonfish a long long time ago to try to solve a similar issue. He ended up with some kind of small parasitic worm latched onto the inner side of the gill plate. I'm not claiming this is the actual diagnosis in your case, but this is only for further examination and potential resolution, if you really care about the fish enough. In my case, this was needed on a fish worth thousands of dollars. Yes I was a little anxious, but I needed to do it. The vet was going to charge me much more than what the fish was worth and I didn't have the funds at that time. I was gratuitous that at least he wrote down the following instructions to use at my own risk, which turned out well.

If you are going the clove oil route, put 5 drops, per gallon of water of the qt tank (hence, why minimal amount of water in QT as per above): a drop is sized from a disposable 3 mL pipette like this Wait a while, of about 8 minutes. The CBB's gills will start to slow and he will lose balance and seem to tip over to the side. If not, then drip 2 more drops, per 8 or so minutes until the fish is listless and completely floating around on its side. The gills will still be moving. I'm sorry for the crude estimation, but I can't tell you the exact science of exact dosage of clove oil. All I know is from my vet's instructions and my one time anecdotal experience. This amount of time and drops is safe to use until the fish is sedated.

After tranquilization, see if there is any foreign body on the gill. Make sure you have a forcep or something similar to open the gill flap. Whatever it is, from the video, there appears to be a foreign body in the gill. I am not a vet and this is not professional diagnosis whatsoever. I'm just trying to help.

I know what it feels like to have something go bad with a long time fish and at worst case it would have cost you 10 bucks of clove oil. What have you got to lose, if the your CBB shows signs of futher deterioration and eventual loss? This operation was a success on my Red Arrowana had a long long time ago. Good luck!
this is also used to trim neglected puffers teeth. Works well, just have to be sure to take it slow. For example, some puffers require less than others in order to sedate them.
 
As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases.
There seems to be something foreign in his right gill.
His respiration is also increased, judging by the rate of movement on the gill.

If your CBB shows signs of any deterioration, loss of appetite or lethargy, and you feel is worth it to spend 10 bucks on, try this.

I'd pull him out to a QT tank with the absolute minimal amount of water, just enough so he doesn't feel panicky and get 100% clove oil like this: https://www.amazon.com/Clove-100-Therapeutic-Grade-Essential/dp/B00PM7S5R6 .This is not the brand I used. I don't remember what brand it was. But just make sure you get one that is 100% clove oil.
An artificial version is tricaine methanesulfonate, but I don't have specific experience with this. It was another suggestion by my vet. I'm assuming there are instructions if you want to use this.
https://pentairaes.com/tricainer-s-topical-anesthetics-ms-222.html

The procedure is a lot less scary than it sounds. I've had to do this with a freshwater Red Arowana dragonfish a long long time ago to try to solve a similar issue. He ended up with some kind of small parasitic worm latched onto the inner side of the gill plate. I'm not claiming this is the actual diagnosis in your case, but this is only for further examination and potential resolution, if you really care about the fish enough. In my case, this was needed on a fish worth thousands of dollars. Yes I was a little anxious, but I needed to do it. The vet was going to charge me much more than what the fish was worth and I didn't have the funds at that time. I was gratuitous that at least he wrote down the following instructions to use at my own risk, which turned out well.

If you are going the clove oil route, put 5 drops, per gallon of water of the qt tank (hence, why minimal amount of water in QT as per above): a drop is sized from a disposable 3 mL pipette like this Wait a while, of about 8 minutes. The CBB's gills will start to slow and he will lose balance and seem to tip over to the side. If not, then drip 2 more drops, per 8 or so minutes until the fish is listless and completely floating around on its side. The gills will still be moving. I'm sorry for the crude estimation, but I can't tell you the exact science of exact dosage of clove oil. All I know is from my vet's instructions and my one time anecdotal experience. This amount of time and drops is safe to use until the fish is sedated.

After tranquilization, see if there is any foreign body on the gill. Make sure you have a forcep or something similar to open the gill flap. Whatever it is, from the video, there appears to be a foreign body in the gill. I am not a vet and this is not professional diagnosis whatsoever. I'm just trying to help.

I know what it feels like to have something go bad with a long time fish and at worst case it would have cost you 10 bucks of clove oil. What have you got to lose, if the your CBB shows signs of futher deterioration and eventual loss? This operation was a success on my Red Arrowana had a long long time ago. Good luck!

So, his breathing is normal imo, I haven't seen any variation in it over the past few months. I do however agree it looks like something is 'in' there. I'm really worried about ripping anything out tho...I really really do like this fish a lot. He was my first fish (intentionally) and he's been a good eater from the start. I'm torn between seeing if this becomes a problem and being proactive and trying to remove whatever it is. I have very steady hands so I'm confident I could go at it with some tweezers and try to pull it off, I am just not sure how hard I would need to pull nor would I know when it's too much and I'm hurting him badly to the point of no return.
 
As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases.
So, his breathing is normal imo, I haven't seen any variation in it over the past few months. I do however agree it looks like something is 'in' there. I'm really worried about ripping anything out tho...I really really do like this fish a lot. He was my first fish (intentionally) and he's been a good eater from the start. I'm torn between seeing if this becomes a problem and being proactive and trying to remove whatever it is. I have very steady hands so I'm confident I could go at it with some tweezers and try to pull it off, I am just not sure how hard I would need to pull nor would I know when it's too much and I'm hurting him badly to the point of no return.

The breathing does seem off to me - a bit too fast/too deep. That may be a function of the damaged gill cover impairing ventilation, or it could be an issue with the gills themselves.

Jay
 
The breathing does seem off to me - a bit too fast/too deep. That may be a function of the damaged gill cover impairing ventilation, or it could be an issue with the gills themselves.

Jay
Man, that stinks to hear. Ugh. What do you recommend I do for next steps? It's def not mechanical dammage.
 
Assuming its a parasite which we don't know for sure, here are the possible outcomes if you leave it in there and not take proactive steps

1) It might overwhelm and kill your CBB.
2) It will make babies and infect your whole tank.
3) It might just die off on its own.
4) The CBB will survive but with the impairment and increased respiration.

At least do the clove oil method to get a closer look at the fish gill in your hands. With a magnifying glass so we know what we are dealing with.

Faced with similar outcomes, I chose to get it off of my fish as per my post above. The diagnoses was done by the vet, although I had to do the procedure. The cost was too high.

Take the CBB and put it into a QT. Maybe observe him for a while. If you can observe it closer in this isolated QT, try some praziquantel liquid form first. Don't use it in the main tank. Bad for some inverts. https://www.liveaquaria.com/product...-dYnLQabQI8sHXfnGMwDD09reTnk4CNwaAnhyEALw_wcB

Before I decided to attempt to be a fish surgeon and tried the clove oil method, I first tried prazipro , but the worm wouldn't budge. Not sure if it the medicine worked and just in a deathgrip or stuck, but it was still clinging to the inside of the gill and his tail was still protruding past the gill cover. Except for the differences in the fact that I don't see a long tail coming out of your CBB's gill compared to my red arowana, they both exhibited a bulge in the gill, meaning that something is in there. Might be some parasitical isopod? I've seen some in fish's gills and some on bodies of fish through the years and they definitely cause a large bump and won't let the gill collapse totally when respiring if it was lodged in there.

Then in the same QT tank. I did the procedure. After sedation, I took forceps and gently lifted the gill and pulled the worm from as far to its head as I could and it came off. It didn't take much effort.

Here is an example of a parasitic isopod in a fish gill: I don't think yours is that big, if it even IS an isopod.
Capture.PNG


This is assuming its a parasite in the first place! But there seems to be a foreign body in that right side gill. The sedation is completely harmless to the fish. Good luck Dr Biff!

Heck, it might not even be a parasite. It might be like this kid shoving up lego blocks up his nose. https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53819306
 
Last edited:

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 32 45.7%
  • Not yet, but I have one that I want to buy in mind!

    Votes: 9 12.9%
  • No.

    Votes: 26 37.1%
  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 3 4.3%
Back
Top