what is wrong with my French angelfish

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I've had been noticing my French angel flash his gills on the rocks and twitch his head. He also has scratch marks on his body. My French is eating really well and acting really healthy except for this. I am sure this is not Ich, as i have seen no signs of it, physically. I moved him to the quarintine aquarium but I am not treating him.
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I've had been noticing my French angel flash his gills on the rocks and twitch his head. He also has scratch marks on his body. My French is eating really well and acting really healthy except for this. I am sure this is not Ich, as i have seen no signs of it, physically. I moved him to the quarintine aquarium but I am not treating him.
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He's doing that because there is probably something in his gills bothering him. Is he breathing heavy yet? Perform a fresh water dip on him and see if there are any flukes in his gills. This is easy to treat with Prazipro.
Here's how:
Freshwater Dip: Provides temporary relief for Brooklynella, Flukes, Marine Velvet disease (Amyloodinium); possibly even Ich & Uronema marinum (both unproven). Can be used to confirm the presence of Flukes.

How To Treat - Fill a bucket with RODI water, and use a heater to match the temperature to the water the fish is coming from. Aerate the water heavily for at least 30 minutes prior to doing the dip, then discontinue aeration while performing the dip. Fish aren’t overly pH sensitive for short durations like this, but you can squirt a little tank water into the dip just before the fish goes in to help bring it up.

Place the fish in the freshwater (FW) dip and observe closely. It is not unusual for them to freak out a little at first. Also, tangs are notorious for “playing dead” during a FW dip. The important thing is to watch their gills; they should be breathing heavily at all times during the dip. If breathing slows, it’s time to exit the dip. Dip the fish for no longer than 5 minutes. Multiple dips may be done, but it’s important to give your fish a day to recuperate in-between dips.

For flukes, use a dark (preferably black) bucket so you can see if tiny white worms fall out of the fish (especially out of the gills) at around the 3-4 minute mark. The worms will settle to the bottom, so you can use a flashlight to look for them there as well.

Pros - Provides temporary relief for a wide range of diseases in a chemical free environment. Can “buy you more time” until a proper treatment can be done.

Cons/Side Effects - Not a permanent “fix” for any disease, as FW dips are not potent enough to eradicate all of the parasites/worms afflicting the fish. Some fish can have an adverse reaction to a FW dip by appearing unable to maintain their equilibrium once returned to the aquarium. If this happens, hold the fish upright (using latex, nitrile or rubber gloves), and gently glide him through the water (to get saltwater flowing through the gills again). It is also a good idea to place the fish in an acclimation box until he appears “normal”.
 
He is not breathing heavy at all. I am nervous about putting too much stress on my fish with the dip.
 
He is not breathing heavy at all. I am nervous about putting too much stress on my fish with the dip.

It's not likely to kill him. The only fish who die from a freshwater dip like the one described above are already past saving. Your describing an irritated, but otherwise healthy fish. He'll be fine. It's smart to do the dip because it doesn't involve chemicals (which are harsh on fish) and it's free to do. It will either confirm or rule out flukes which will give us the next step to take. It's nerve wracking and even I hate to do them because my anxiety level shoots through the roof, but it's for the best. Give it a try :)
 
What are the fatality rates of flukes

Oh gosh. I'm way to tired to be able to remember that. I'm sure I read it in one of the papers @Humblefish sent me to. I KNOW he can answer that though. I tagged him so he'll chime in when he gets online. Sorry :)
 
Thanks. I feel more confident treating with Prazipro but I would not be able to make it to my lfs soon.
 
What are the fatality rates of flukes

Near 100%, although it can take several months sometimes. Now intestinal worms (just for trivia) are a different story altogether. I know a lady who had a clownfish live with those in it's gut for 9 years. :eek:
 
Flukes is my bet
 
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30 min dip? Lol

Wow, might as well ween it to fresh water only. It would save a lot in salt cost.
 
I've had been noticing my French angel flash his gills on the rocks and twitch his head. He also has scratch marks on his body. My French is eating really well and acting really healthy except for this. I am sure this is not Ich, as i have seen no signs of it, physically. I moved him to the quarintine aquarium but I am not treating him.
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The last two days I did around 10-15 minute freshwater dips on all my tank inhabitants after I have seen my snapper and angel flash and twitch their head. Today, I am not totally convinced that they have flukes anymore but this is a sigh of my water quality[emoji17]. Yesterday, I tested the aquarium and the ammonia was .25 and the PH was 8.8. Everything else is okay. I am convinced that the ammonia is burning there gills.
 
Ammonia in water is deadly. You need to do atleast a 50% water change. then have more water made up to do more,if needed. 0 ammonia. Whats what in pic?
 
From left to right it looks like ammonia, nitrate, pH, and nitrite. I'm thinking that very high pH is messing with the nitrifying bacteria. 8.8 is awful high.
 

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