Whats in Sponge power

[Koty]

Heard from someone who carried a test that it is rich in Manganese and iodine. Whatever is in there it is in a concentrated acetic acid. Randy, can you connect the dots why these two elements and why are the in as? Also any data on these elements being in limiting concentrations?

 

[Koty]

BTW it works!

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Manganese depletes very rapidly and may well be useful. I am not sure iodine is useful, but it does deplete reasonably fast.

 

[Koty]

What about discovering these elements in acetic acid, is there any chemical rationale behind it?

 

[Koty]

Dissolving....

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

As with most kz products, I do not know what is in it or why it is there, but acetic acid can be taken up directly by sponges and other organisms, and the acetic acid will also drive bacteria growth that filter feeders can consume. That’s why I like to dose vinegar.

 

[Koty]

Yes but considering the dosage,1drop per 100 lit is about 0.5 ppm or about 8 micro moles. Is it a significant carbon source?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Yes but considering the dosage,1drop per 100 lit is about 0.5 ppm or about 8 micro moles. Is it a significant carbon source?

depends on the concentration, but it would be on the low side.

 

[taricha]

I can also say one logical guess that's not in it. It has no detectable Si.
So if hoping to grow sponges, don't expect SpongePower to provide Silica.

 

[Koty]

Actually I started adding it thinking it's some form of silica in concentrated acid acid. My take is that KZ do significant research and may know much more than our community but not share it from obvious commercial reasons. Thus, decifering the content of their various product may be interesting....I wonder if it is legal if someone does it privately and publishes the results?....

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Actually I started adding it thinking it's some form of silica in concentrated acid acid. My take is that KZ do significant research and may know much more than our community but not share it from obvious commercial reasons. Thus, decifering the content of their various product may be interesting....I wonder if it is legal if someone does it privately and publishes the results?....

They certainly may know more about dosing supplements than many folks, but they do not know any more chemistry or chemical secrets than we do.

it is never illegal to research and publish results of what is in a product, at least not in the USA. If it is patented (which must be published) then it could be illegal to use it, though it is super rare for anyone to enforce a patent against an individual user.

 

[Koty]

Just an update: Got a glimpse at the actual icp of sponge power and it's Manganese and Iron (no iodine).

 

[Koty]

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

How was that tested? Diluted?

 

[Koty]

I guess in seawater. Did not get the dilution data but all other elements are normal inc iodine

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

I guess in seawater. Did not get the dilution data but all other elements are normal inc iodine

Ok, so it was diluted into seawater. Just asking because the concentrations are too low to be a useful dosing solution itself.

 

[Koty]

Probably to remain within the icp measurement range

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Probably to remain within the icp measurement range

Yes, that’s certainly the appropriate way to do it.

 

[Koty]

So Mn and Fe are both limiting factors for sponges and probably for many other inverts such as corals. (Xenia & goniopora)

 

[Spare time]

I asked the same thing on a different thread when someone was able to answer it. I'm sure you can find the thread if you search it wity my username