Who makes the rules for fish tank-size-requirement?

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I have always wondered who makes the rules and more so HOW?! I personally respect the rules but I think it's safe to say that the majority of hobbyists don't. Who's to say they're wrong? And how do we know that 2 extra feet of swimming space makes that much of a difference? I am curious because I see so many keeping tangs in 4ft tanks where according to the "rules" that's unethical.
 
I think it's more a matter of fish size to waste production for me. The bigger the fish, the more feeding required and waste they produce, so, the less volume of water you have, the harder it is to keep nutrient levels down. That's what I base my buying decisions on, at least.
 
I agree that is a huge factor but when it comes to fish like tangs, they say tank size is because of swimming room. Am I right?
 
Tangs are usually found in open spaces and love to roam and swim as they graze off the rocks and feed all day. so naturally youd like to provide them with as much "swimming room" as possible. As far as unethical I would disagree I mean there is nothing wrong with keeping small tangs in 4ft tanks as long as the owner realizes that there will come a day when they outgrow the tank and will either need to be donated to a bigger home and/or trade with a LFS for a smaller one and start over. just my .02.
 
The tang police make the rules...lol.

No there is a typical guideline based on fish size when fully grown and how active of a fish they are. Generally it is fine to have smaller tangs in a 75G tank, but they sure do swim more and faster in a 6 foot 125... Unfortunately these "guidelines" need to be listed so you don't have people putting a large tang in a 20L just because it will fit. I am reminded of the typical Oscar freshwater tank where there is this MASSIVE fish in a tiny tank and they think it's ok because they fit and don't swim much... The saltwater guidelines help prevent this.
 
The tang police make the rules...lol.

No there is a typical guideline based on fish size when fully grown and how active of a fish they are. Generally it is fine to have smaller tangs in a 75G tank, but they sure do swim more and faster in a 6 foot 125... Unfortunately these "guidelines" need to be listed so you don't have people putting a large tang in a 20L just because it will fit. I am reminded of the typical Oscar freshwater tank where there is this MASSIVE fish in a tiny tank and they think it's ok because they fit and don't swim much... The saltwater guidelines help prevent this.

Very interesting way to look at it! This is where im somewhat confused. So in your opinion, tangs are ok to have in smaller tanks than recommended as long as they are smaller, huh? I always thought that it was mostly because of swimming room regardless of the tang's size.

Any other opinions?
 
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As long as they are smaller and you plan on upgrading in less than 2 years I'd say go for it. I had a hippo in a 75G 4 ft tank for about a year before it outgrew the tank. It is not in my 125G and is very active. I wouldn't recommend them in there at full length though.
 
You make your own rules for your tank! Hopefully you make good rules and you will be successful! lol
 
I had a valangii tang in a 29 g for a year. I think it boils down to success rates. People have kept tangs in small tanks with success but not for long. I think it has to do with experience at this point.
 
when I set up my first sw tank (before I knew any better) petco had me walking out the door with a 30g eclipse sw setup. along with dry crushed coral for substrate, no live rock or deadrock, a mandarin, 3 damsels and a 2 1/2" sohal tang.
the mandarin I got eating bloodworms so it managed to live the sohal killed the damsels in the small tank. I set up a 75g within the first 2 -3 months and kept him in that for about 3 years. I didnt see any ill effect in keeping it in the 4' tank and sohal's need way more room than most tangs. he was fat and happy, but did swim in a circle around the tank allot.
I shouldnt have kept the tang in the tank for more than 2 years. the problem was, it took me almost a year to give him away to someone with a tank large enough

this was about 12 years ago, and there is no way I would put any of the tangs that get large in anything less than a 265g and still it wont be long before the tang will need an even larger tank than that! (fat man in a little coat)
but I sometimes pick up one of the small hippo tangs (the ones that could hide behind a quarter) and put them in a small tank to grow up.
I kept one in a 40g for almost 2 years (just under 3") and it was a very happy fish. although it thought it was a clownfish even lived in the frogspawn with the clowns
 
This is always a very opinionated subject. Me personally I have kept a naso in a 120 for over a year the fish was around 4 or 5 inches and I never noticed any signs of stress. It was always ate well swam around and was never aggressive this is with 3 other tangs in this same tank (Yellow, powder brown, and Yellow eye kole). Would the fish stay this way for years probably not as they do get large but I don’t know for sure as I had to move and take the tank down. If someone want to add a tang to a 75 or 90 gallon get it small and as it gets large if it stays peaceful and does not exhibit signs of stress leave it in there if it does take it out.
 
I have always wondered who makes the rules and more so HOW?!

The fish make the rules - no question.

We're merely the idiot groundskeepers. We do best when we don't forget that. :)

Problem is we can't telepath with them (yet!) to get their requests, and what we have instead is a hodgepodge of people's experiences in keeping these fish at home as well as what we know about their behavior in the wild. Lots of good information, but it only amounts to rules of thumb, and little more. This can make it tough on a newbie, but doesn't make the info useless!

If you have lots of tolerance for risking your fishes well being and don't mind replacing dead fish, then you generally disregard these rules of thumb and end up with a crapload of big fish in a "big" 75 gallon or "even bigger" 90 gallon tank. Hah! With only 6 square feet of swimming space - minus filters, drains, rocks and coral - both of those tanks are equally small to the fish. I'd be looking for something with around double that space.

Sadly, many folks like to pull what amounts to a "stunt" in their tank and just try to keep as many fish in it as possible, or see how many big fish they can keep, etc. Certainly with skimmers, carbon and GFO, refugiums, bio-plastics, etc, etc, etc, etc it may be possible...for a time....until something happens and the stunt finally fails. Why try to play know-it-all and Superman with your tank all at the same time??

To put a nice, fine point on it....setting a tank up in this way amounts to being in denial about the amount of time our fish should be able to live if allowed to live relatively natural lives.

In a 20+ year life-span, sooner or later something is going to happen. When a tank is so maxed out like this (or if you prefer, your fish are so limited like this), you're just waiting for the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. You've eliminated almost all your margin for error and you're much more likely to be looking at a dead animal or even a crashed tank instead of just a broken pump, behavior change in a fish or whatever it is that finally happens.

I'm not a member of the Tang Police, but I support their cause. :)

-Matt

P.S. You mentioned that you have a 120 gallon tank. Almost all rules of thumb in the hobby (everything from watt/gallon lighting to inch/gallon fish stocking) are anchored to traditionally proportioned tanks - this includes the recommendation for tangs. In a nutshell, "tradiational" means (e.g.) 10, 29, 38, 55 and 90 gallon tanks as well as the common variations that aren't as tall. A 120 gallon tank has significantly more (~30%) swimming area than the typical 4 ft tank, so I wouldn't feel nearly as bad seeing a tang or two (consider the Bristletooth family first....some are often found solo in the wild....not dedicated schoolers) in a tank that size - especially if the rocks are minimal and laid out for maximum swimming room. Bigger than 120 is still going to be quite a bit better with almost all tangs.

P.P.S. I presently keep three 1.25" Barnacle Blennies and nine .75" Sexy Shrimp (along with a crapload of SPS coral) in a 50 gallon (4.5 square feet). In my freshwater days I kept a single Oscar and single Pleco alone in a mostly bare 75 gallon tank. These are representative of ideal fish stocking rates, IMO. (The Oscar and Pleco both lived more than 20 years.)
 


The fish make the rules - no question.

That's what I was going to post.

Any way your full post is right on and well said..

I just want to add its not about the size of the fish it is the swimming room required.
 
I was part of a group of people that made up a set of guidelines (( don't like the term "rules" )) for tank size for tangs. The group consisted of long term hobbyiest (( I, myself, have been in this hobby since 1991 )), divers, marine biologists and the like. I can tell you that the guidelines were just thrown out there, it took about a month and there were some heated discussions. In the end I am proud of that list and think that we took are "charges" interests over our desires.

Lastly, I have always recommended purchasing fish that can spend their lifespan in your current tank, and not the tank that you hope to have one day -- heck I was suppose to have my "big" tank over 7 years ago, life gets in the way.
 
Lastly, I have always recommended purchasing fish that can spend their lifespan in your current tank, and not the tank that you hope to have one day -- heck I was suppose to have my "big" tank over 7 years ago, life gets in the way.

I agree with this and do believe that it is a wise appoarch to take when stocking your tank. Life can definitly get in the way of the best plans to upgrade and by stocking for the current tank size that you have you ensure that one is able to provide for the needs of the fish for the long haul.

Coming from the freshwater side of things over to salt I do find that trying to figure out stocking for saltwater to be a bit more complicated since in my observations there are many factors that need to be considered when stocking. Size of the fish, behavior of the fish does it like to pretty much stay in one area or is it a fairly active swimmer, and many other things that people have mentioned. I know that there are some fish that I have seen that the info I have found says that the fish is okay for my size aquariaum but that I am hesitant about because of the size of the fish. Just some of my thoughts :D
 
For size wise i have read that a fish should be able to swim six body lengths before having to turn. And that the turn should be 2.5 times the body length for thwm to swim comfortably.

As far as 5 gallons per inch rule it seems to work. Depending on the tank that can be a lot of fish!

I dont know who makes the rules but seems like your in good shape if you follow them.
 
I had a valangii tang in a 29 g for a year. I think it boils down to success rates. People have kept tangs in small tanks with success but not for long. I think it has to do with experience at this point.

First of all it does not boil down to experience because an experienced reefer would never do this. Also success is not measured in months its years.. I just saw on the news a while back about some girl being locked in the basement her whole life, she lived just fine but I can not begin to imagine the trama she has been through and what long lasting affects it will have on her.
 
I want to add another big factor other than swimming room required is aggression. Most saltwater fish are territorial and become even more so in a aquarium.
 

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