Why carbon dosing stopped working?

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Hi reefers,
can you share your thoughts on why organic carbon dosing stopped working?

Tank description:
200l mixed reef;
60ml/day vinegar running well for over 2 years;
Thin layer of coral rubble substrate, live rocks and marine pure in the sump.
Po4 before: 0.03ppm
No3 before: 0.2ppm

Current symptoms:
High nitrates (4ppm) for the last 3 weeks.
Much less noticeable bacterial film on glass;
Less dirty in the skimmer(wet skimming)
Slightly higher Po4 at 0.04ppm.

What has changed during the period:
Overdose alk. It went from 7.8dKh to 11dKH lowered steadily back to 7.8dKh in a week's time.
Removed a small ball of Chaeto algae, which was in reverse cycle and wasn't thriving due to low nutrients.
Removed the GFO reactor.

What I have tried so far to fix it:
- Stabilised Alkalinity;
- Started dosing Zeobak every 2 days, hoping to re-populate bacteria.
- Lowered fish and coral feeding;
- Kept feeding Reefroids, because it increases phosphates, with the aim to make sure there is some PO4 for bacteria.

It is worth mentioning, this tank is a guinea pig for my dosing pump prototype and has had many pump failures in the past, including 2-3days windows without Vinegar. That has never been a big issue and it I always went straight back to 60ml/day of Vinegar and the bacterial film and heavy skimming came back, without problems.

I am suspicious the alkalinity spike decimated bacterial population.
I am also not sure about Redfield ration, there is some phosphate, but it isn't in balance at .03P nad 4N

What do you think?
 
If your current measurements are accurate (4 ppm nitrate and 0.04 ppm phosphate) then there is plenty of both and the ratio is unimportant.

When you say it is not working any more, does that mean you want them lower?

Have you tried more vinegar?
 
Yes, I want it lower as it used to be in the past two years.
I upped from 60ml to 80ml, for 4 days, with no visual difference. Then I set it back to 60ml.

Today is the first time there is visible bacteria and the skimmer pulled out more dirty, 30 days after the Alk spike.

Thanks!
 
Yes, I want it lower as it used to be in the past two years.
I upped from 60ml to 80ml, for 4 days, with no visual difference. Then I set it back to 60ml.

Today is the first time there is visible bacteria and the skimmer pulled out more dirty, 30 days after the Alk spike.

Thanks!

FWIW, I don't see any bacteria in my system when dosing vinegar, except when I went to really, really high doses (much higher than you are doing now) and the water got hazy, so I wouldn't always use visual bacteria as a sign that it is working or not.

That said, other organics can also take up the acetate from vinegar. Corals, anemones, etc. So perhaps those have started to take up more.
 
Randy,
this is good to know. I have always seen bacterial film on the glass and other surfaces and also higher skimmate, which weren't happening. Combined with the high nitrates and no increase in feeding, I concluded the bacteria wasn't reproducing that the previous pace.

I will give it one more day and re-test nitrates. If it is lowering again, I would guess it is safe to assume the system has rebooted somehow. Wouldn't it?

Assuming the theory is right, have you heard of alk spike potentially causing something similar?

Thanks for the always great answers!
 
Randy,
this is good to know. I have always seen bacterial film on the glass and other surfaces and also higher skimmate, which weren't happening. Combined with the high nitrates and no increase in feeding, I concluded the bacteria wasn't reproducing that the previous pace.

I will give it one more day and re-test nitrates. If it is lowering again, I would guess it is safe to assume the system has rebooted somehow. Wouldn't it?

Assuming the theory is right, have you heard of alk spike potentially causing something similar?

Thanks for the always great answers!

No, I've not heard of alkalinity impacting carbon dosing effectiveness. It would surprise me if it did.
 
Looks like it was really the case of increasing the amount of Vinegar.
I bumped it to 100ml since you suggested, nearly 10days ago and everything is back to normal.

I wish I could pay you a beer, Randy :)

I'm glad it worked!

Happy Reefing. :)
 

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