Wild caught mandarin dragonette diet

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As posted. Asides from copepods that we see on the glass and the rock. Is there anything else they eat in the wild? Flat worms or any other critter that can fit in its mouth? I ask because my invert tank has a ton of copepods and a few flat worms. I would also train for frozen if the little guy would try. The lfs does not know if the little guy is eating frozen however I consider myself an advanced reefer and feel like challenge accepted. I also feed my fish a mix of salmon scallops shrimp clam and brine mixed with selcon.
 
Thanks so aside from the pods in my tank I have tried many things slowly training. But one thing I found at the lfs today was hikari Cyclopods. Hmm I’ll try it for 8 bucks. Put it in the tank wow! It’s like a billion pods are all over and my manadarin is sucking them up non stop! I’m so happy at least we’re working on other options for the future ! I also have blood worms and other things we will work on. (Aside from live pods!)
 
Thanks so aside from the pods in my tank I have tried many things slowly training. But one thing I found at the lfs today was hikari Cyclopods. Hmm I’ll try it for 8 bucks. Put it in the tank wow! It’s like a billion pods are all over and my manadarin is sucking them up non stop! I’m so happy at least we’re working on other options for the future ! I also have blood worms and other things we will work on. (Aside from live pods!)

Its also pretty easy to culture copepods. If you aren't already, I highly recommend dosing phyto in the tank.
 
curious what would an "advanced reefer" do different than a novice reefer to get a mandarin eating frozen apart from waggle some food infront of its face and hope it eats? enlighten this novice reefer
 
curious what would an "advanced reefer" do different than a novice reefer to get a mandarin eating frozen apart from waggle some food infront of its face and hope it eats? enlighten this novice reefer
I think in this specific conversation an advanced reefer is willing to setup a pair of tanks that are used to 1. grow phyto, 2. grow pods that are fed from 1. 3. feed mandarin from 2 that eats 1.
 
I think in this specific conversation an advanced reefer is willing to setup a pair of tanks that are used to 1. grow phyto, 2. grow pods that are fed from 1. 3. feed mandarin from 2 that eats 1.
Its super easy to grow phyto and pods, any novice can do it.
 
Ive seen my mandarin snack on other small creatures but if you watch for a couple minutes it often changes its mind and spits it out a couple minutes later. I would argue theres no alternative for copepods and frozen foods aren't nearly as healthy. The biochemical analysis and study currently being done on copepods is for fish larval culture but much of it applies to an adult fish that eats a diet dominant in copepods.

"High survival and growth, normal pigmentation, and low frequencies of skeletal
54 deformities are characteristics of marine fish reared on natural assemblages of marine
55 zooplankton that mainly consists of copepods" [1]

1:Biochemical composition of copepods for evaluation of feed quality in production of juvenile marine fish.
Terje van der Meeren
Institute of Marine Research in Norway
Rolf Erik Olsen
Norwegian University of Science and Technology
Kristin Hamre
Institute of Marine Research in Norway
Hans Jørgen Fyhn
 
Hi everyone
As posted. Asides from copepods that we see on the glass and the rock. Is there anything else they eat in the wild? Flat worms or any other critter that can fit in its mouth? I ask because my invert tank has a ton of copepods and a few flat worms. I would also train for frozen if the little guy would try. The lfs does not know if the little guy is eating frozen however I consider myself an advanced reefer and feel like challenge accepted. I also feed my fish a mix of salmon scallops shrimp clam and brine mixed with selcon.
Check out the paulb mandarin feeder
 
Its super easy to grow phyto and pods, any novice can do it.
Sure it is. But it takes up real estate also. Someone willing to setup up two containers and an air pump is at minimum someone that isn't a novice. Go into Petsmart and watch Karen with little Jonnie. She has a 10G starter set aquarium in her cart with a powder blue tang, a clown fish and a hermet crab. She also decided to pick up the Spongebob decoration. That is the novice, and she isn't going to grow phyto and pods.
 
Thanks for the responses. I dose phyto the pod pop is strong but what I am tempting to do is have a back up plan. I have cultured pods as well. The topic is more about what else can we do than pods that can help keep the mandarin healthy
 
Wow ok crazy weird breakthrough today he’s been doing so well. I had some left over brine shrimp eggs so I started a hatchery and for fun I dumped a bunch in the tank where it has been blowing around abs collecting on the bottom. Wow I didn’t know that a mandarin would just eat the eggs! I hope this is ok for him. He is eating the eggs non stop. Anyone else have this happen??
 
Pods, pods & more pods. White worms also :)
 
curious what would an "advanced reefer" do different than a novice reefer to get a mandarin eating frozen apart from waggle some food infront of its face and hope it eats? enlighten this novice reefer
Fish sometimes won’t eat in front of us or it will come out at night. Leaving food and many options with multiple feeding throughout the day. Clam is a winner for most fish left in shell and next morning eating. Do it in separate system that you can control nutrient export Now mandarins only eat pods so anything else is luck from trying nonstop. But they always need food intake and not just a couple daily feeding. Monkey see monkey do works great also.
 
curious what would an "advanced reefer" do different than a novice reefer to get a mandarin eating frozen apart from waggle some food infront of its face and hope it eats? enlighten this novice reefer

I don't consider myself an 'advanced reefer' but I've trained three wild caught mandarins to eat frozen, and the basic method was this:

Normal acclimation/dips then add to a mesh breeder box in the tank.
Feed twice a day with what I feed the tank (cube of frozen, misc particulate food, a few pellets) and then half a cube or so of something frozen.
Keep them in the box until you can feed them the frozen and they will start eating it within about 5 minutes, ideally on at least two different foods.
It's worth cleaning up residual uneaten food before your next feeding (after at least a few hours of letting it be)

As a backup, have some pods on hand to add to the mix to entice them to eat whatever is around can help, and having a place where you can give it away in short notice to someone with enough pods to have it recover if the training fails (it didn't for me, luckily). It also helps to have a camera to observe, since they startle easy and you don't want your watching to see if they eat be too intrusive.

All of mine took around 2 weeks to meet the criteria that they will eat frozen very soon after it was fed, and this qualification is essential as they likely can't chase down food being blown around by pumps. At first they are scared of you/the feedings, sometimes they look like they're trying to get out of the box. Then eventually they start trying to slurp up pods around the box. At some point in this random feeding behavior, they'll eat some of the prepared food, then you just need to wait for them to recognize which bits are good to eat fast enough to eat when it's offered.

Once they're eating prepared, feed them daily with the same kinds of frozen food included in the mix. Feed with the pumps off or with minimal circulation, and especially until they track down the food reliably, try to offer some near where they like to stay or like to hide when spooked. Eventually they will not be afraid of the baster or whatever you use to feed them and will hunt all over the tank, but initially they'll have some trouble recognizing the food and won't want to be coming out to 'hunt' when you're at the tank, so offering it directly to where they like to be helps.

And for what it's worth, mine definitely prefer larger meaty foods. Mysis and bloodworms are high on the list (and particularly long bloodworms often take several attempts to swallow it until they keep it in their mouth), but one of the first things one ate was the head of a krill that was obviously too big for its mouth, so it sat there in the basket for a couple of minutes looking uncomfortable and occasionally thrashing until it could swallow it properly.... didn't have any ill effect in the long run. Mine have almost entirely ignored PE Calanus and frozen capelin roe - one which is almost exactly what they'd eat normally, and one which is often advertised for finicky eaters with a picture of a mandarin on the front of the package. I think they do eat some when prowling around the tank, but when offered it from the baster directly, they turn away and start hunting around the tank again.
 

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