Hello all. I have a 65 gallon fowlr 15 gallon sump. 10 months old. 1 flame angel two black and white clowns 1 Firefish 1 pearlscale butterfly 1 fox face. Snails and crabs. 95 pounds of live rock covered and beautiful red and purple algae. About 6 months ago I had an ich outbreak. At that time it killed everything but the two clowns. So I put the clowns in a 10 gallon quarantine ran copper on them. They did great. I left the DT empty for 80 days. Then put the clowns back. Since then I added all the other fish after a six-week QT. I didn't run copper on them while n QT because the sensitivity of angels and butterflies. Okay now for recent developments. I did a water change 3 weeks ago just like I always do nothing different or special. Only this time the butterfly and Flame angel had I C h the next morning. I'm not sure if someone brought it in despite being QT or if the 80 Days empty never got rid of it. However Over the last 3 weeks I've tried to see if it would clear up because I am aware that it would never be out of the system without being empty for 80 Days.All the fish have white dots now and have for at least a week. They seem to be doing great eating wonderful and acting normal. But I can see they still have it and I'm afraid they're all going to die if I don't do something since it's not going away and clearing up 3 weeks later. I'm trying to avoid having to go buy more stuff because all I have is a 10 gallon quarantine and there's no way I can put all these fish in there. My husband is going to kill me if I have to go buy another big tank to put all these fish in for another 80 Days. So I'm wondering if I could run hyposalinity in my DT if I remove all the crabs and snails. I don't want to hurt the Coraline algae growing on the rocks. I paid a lot of money to get them already covered in it and I do not want it to die off. I'm wondering if the hyposalinity will kill the Coraline algae. Would it be okay to do the hypo if I keep a check on the KH and calcium everyday and dos to keep it up. That is what I'm wondering. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.
will hyposalinity kill Live rock coralline algea?
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The only part of hypo that i would "think" be detrimental to coralline would be the lower magnesium levels. You most likely be able to keep alk and calc atleast somewhat in range. But I dont even think its possible to do hypo with raising your mag due to the gallons of mag sulfate/chloride youd wind up using(witch will substantially raise your sg anyway). Not a very wise thing to do. I know you dont want to loose the purple/red beauty stuff lol but it should grow back very quickly if it does die off.
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I beleive if u didn't treat the fish in qt with copper on the Angel fish and butterfly that they are prolly the ones that reintroduced it back into the tank. Hypo is hard and humble fish and melphy both don't like it. Because there have been two strains of ich that have been know to not be effected by hypo.
I think it best bet is copper for all fish sorry. I hope if u do hypo the fish are cured good luck and hopefully humble and melphy will be of better assistance then me.
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All I can say is I was against copper treatment so bad I really was. But with the help of melphy and humble I did it in I'm so happy I did it instead of hypo. Hypo is really hard. Can't have any fluctuations in salinity. I hope a quick recovery to ur kids.
Ihave a 10 gall qt, would it b easier buy a new larger tank to qt them all together or put some in the 10 and then another day 20 gall tank? But then But id have copper running 2 tanks to check instead of on...oh ugh! My foxface and butterfly ate small fish still babies. So how small qt tank for all the fish can i get away with. 2 adult clowns, 1 lg flame angel, 1 small butterfly, 1 sm foxface, 1 firefish.
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Probably not a good idea with little ones around. I dont know the best solution for your predicament, that is a tough one. Catching the fish will be tough as you'll have to remove much of the rock to actually get to them.
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When I had ICH last year I tried the dipping in cupramine, that did not seem to have any effect, so I feed vitamarin-m, aminomegs, metroPlex, garlic oil and seachem focus to bind everything in my frozen food feed and the ICH went away. I stressed the fish by doing to many water change and drop the bio load of the system and this is what I related to the cause of the out break. The picture below is what I feed with my mix minus the metroPlex daily to keep the kids immune systems strong. Feed the metroplex all of the time will get the fish immune to the antibiotic.
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You really have two choices here: you can QT your fish again, and this time treat for ick on all the new fish along with the old ones.... OR you can see if your fish can live with it. Here's an article on the difference between the two with some details. For what it's worth, I don't believe hypo will hurt your coraline too much, but I also don't believe it's the best option for treating ick. That depends on you and what your able to handle.
http://reef2reef.com/threads/ich-eradication-vs-ich-management.188775/page-10#post-3170876
http://reef2reef.com/threads/ich-eradication-vs-ich-management.188775/page-10#post-3170876
Thanks for the article I will give it a read right now. I woke up this morning and my pearlscale butterfly was dead. So that scared the bejeebers out of me. I went and purchased a 30-gallon tank to quarantine the rest of them and run copper. And I guess from now on if the fish is too sensitive for copper I just want on it. I despise having an empty tank during f allow period. Oh well learn something new everyday with this thing. I hope my flame angel can survive the copper I really love that little fish.
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Load it up with corals at the beginning of the fallow period so u at least have something to look at in the tank. Just rember tho after anything u add u have to wait another 76 days so do it all right now and coast
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Just be sure to go slow with bringing the copper levels up. I've used CopperSafe with many types of sensitive fish with success. Just go slow.
