Wrasse - Ich or Velvet?

flreef_huskies · Sep 30, 2018

Hello Everyone,

So, Friday our A/C went out and the house got to a balmy 90. The wife got home in time to catch the tanks creeping to 85-86 territory, and got them started with ice floating and fans while the AC was repaired. After a day temperatures in the house stabilized and the tanks settled by the end of Saturday.

When I got home from work today I fed the fish and didn't notice anything wrong, but a couple hours after eating I noticed white spots covering my wrasse and some on the fins of the anthias and a couple dots on a cleaner goby. Photos are of the wrasse since the Anthias won't stop pretending like they are the loch ness or big foot.

Any opinions on whether Ich or Velvet? Any help would be appreciated.

Also any tips on capturing them in a reef tank without removing everything from inside?

JasonK84 · Sep 30, 2018

My thought is velvet!!

HotRocks · Sep 30, 2018

Certainly velvet.

Catching fish can be tricky. You can try a trap. But with velvet your time may be limited. So easiest quickest way is to just drain the tank into Rubbermaid containers and move rock and coral to the containers until the water is low enough to catch all the fish.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/

Gareth elliott · Sep 30, 2018

Looks like velvet for that many spots to appear in a day.

Can try emptying most of the water to a brute can so they less water to move in, pump water back in before the corals have a chance to be effected.

JasonK84 · Sep 30, 2018

Could try this with their favorite food inside.

Wuzzo · Sep 30, 2018

Looks like velvet.

flreef_huskies · Sep 30, 2018

Thanks for the fast response everyone! Looks like it's going to be some work tonight. Gonna start with the bottle idea and maybe make a trap out of the acclimation box we have before trying to remove all the water...

Any point to adding a UV to treatment or main tank to help with anything or is that just to help free swimmers with Ich

HotRocks · Sep 30, 2018

flreef_huskies said:
Thanks for the fast response everyone! Looks like it's going to be some work tonight. Gonna start with the bottle idea and maybe make a trap out of the acclimation box we have before trying to remove all the water...

Any point to adding a UV to treatment or main tank to help with anything or is that just to help free swimmers with Ich

UV will kill some velvet dinospores too. Depending on how many fish you have and what kind. You may just save yourself the trouble though and tear it down.

flreef_huskies · Sep 30, 2018

Ya 10 minutes of waiting to spring a trap was more than enough to realize that would take days. Tear down it is...of all the days to not have the RO running already to keep 50 gallons on hand.

JasonK84 · Oct 1, 2018

How are your fish doing?

flreef_huskies · Oct 1, 2018

Well, after 3 hours and an entire rock structure I was able to get them all dipped and into the hospital tank and ran paraguard since it's all I had at 2 am.

Hoping it buys them time until I can get home and get some new medications in there. At 530am they were looking okay...stressed, but progress. I'll see for sure in another couple hours. We'll see how the wrasses do with the medication though.

flreef_huskies · Oct 1, 2018

Lost the majority of the tank.

Kole Tang, 4 Anthias and an orange back wrasse died.

The tang and wrasse were the worst of them coating wise but the most energetic so I was hoping...

Blue star and mandarin still live on for now. (And found the cleaner goby still alive hiding on the tanks silicone )

Tikosyn · Oct 1, 2018

Wow...does not give me hope considering I discovered my tank had velvet yesterday and chloroquine wont be here until tomorrow.

flreef_huskies · Oct 1, 2018

Tikosyn said:
Wow...does not give me hope considering I discovered my tank had velvet yesterday and chloroquine wont be here until tomorrow.

Well 2/3 fish died, but the upside is 1 out of 3 are still alive. Plus I only had certain medication on hand.

I worked a very long weekend, so I'm wondering if I would have noticed things a bit earlier if it had been more of normal hours. Doubt I noticed/caught it anywhere near as fast as I first thought I did.

JasonK84 · Oct 1, 2018

sorry some didn't make it. Hope the rest pull through.

flreef_huskies · Oct 7, 2018

Mandarin died three nights ago and blue star wrasse died during the night

. Cleaner goby appears to have disappeared from the treatment tank, so he appears to have died as well.

Seems I lost this battle, and I get to completely re-aquascape my entire tank. ;Blackeye

Thanks everyone for the fast replies and help

tdowning · Oct 7, 2018

Ah man...so sorry to hear about all your losses. I totally feel your pain as I had a similar experience this spring losing 8 out of 12 fish. I love the optimism of getting to reaquascape your tank though

Best of luck to you!!!

pecan2phat · Oct 7, 2018

Sorry for your losses.
It amazes me how rampant the parasite is especially when it was already in the tank and had no impact until a stressing event occurred.
This has happened to me several times over the past 3 decades, never thought I was Ich free but just being managed until a stressing event.