Wrasses in QT

jah-hoeva · May 8, 2017

Last few qts I've run were very smooth and successful. Used TTM in conjunction with Prazipro. DT is doing well. Recently lost a large fairy wrasse to a leap. So I setup the qt again and grabbed a female leopard and melanarus male. They are in a freshly set up qt, bare bottom with pvc and a rock from my sump. I've also added a flat bowl of sand. Filled tank from dt.

Is there anything in conjunction with the TTM and prazi I should consider for these guys? No signs of ich or any flashing or head shaking yet. Or is there a better qt protocol for these wrasses?

Thanks

Joe

Zack K · May 8, 2017

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4FordFamily · May 8, 2017

I always use copper, I am aware that some wrasse cannot handle it but they can be great carriers of velvet and TTM will not address it. Their thick slime coats and ability to hide from the parasites at night in mucous cocoons or under the sand also makes them more apt to build strong resistances to velvet, but still carry it along to other fish.

Humblefish · May 8, 2017

jah-hoeva said:
Is there anything in conjunction with the TTM and prazi I should consider for these guys? No signs of ich or any flashing or head shaking yet. Or is there a better qt protocol for these wrasses?

Wrasses can be sensitive to medications, so TTM + prazi is best for them unless velvet is suspected. Then use chelated copper as @4FordFamily advises.

Triggreef · May 8, 2017

I haven't been around much lately but I know CP was becoming the one magic wonder drug for all of the above... For my own knowledge has there been any issues with CP and wrasses?

And FWIW I use TTM and prazi for everything and may be lucky but never dealt with velvet at home.

Humblefish · May 8, 2017

Triggreef said:
For my own knowledge has there been any issues with CP and wrasses?

CP is a no-go with wrasses, anthias and Hippo Tangs until more experimentation can be done.

Triggreef · May 8, 2017

Humblefish said:
CP is a no-go with wrasses, anthias and Hippo Tangs until more experimentation can be done.

Interesting. Thats too bad.

jah-hoeva · May 9, 2017

Thank you so much guys!

melypr1985 · May 9, 2017

I've used TTM + prazi with several wrasses wtih success. That's the route I would go as well.

CanadianReefer · May 9, 2017

I had no choice but to use copper in my QT (I had a definite outbreak) and I had several wrasses. Unfortunately a few of my fairy wrasses and my flasher wrasse died :-( One day they were swimming around just fine, eating without issue, the next day they were dead. It was fairly sudden. Same for 2 out of the 3 anthias I had. On the other hand, my leopard wrasse (typically known to be very sensitive) and my exquisite wrasse made it through 30 days without issue. At first, I had opted to put my leopard wrasse in a separate QT without copper, but she refused to even come out of the sand and it was impossible to feed her. When I put her in the big QT, she went straight back to her normal routine. I think my second QT was simply too small and solitary for her.

Anyway, my point is that unless ich or velvet is suspected, I wouldn't risk it. They just simply don't do well and it will be hit or miss.

For the record, however, my other fish did just fine - even my blennies.

Humblefish · May 9, 2017

@CanadianReefer What brand/type of copper did you use?

CanadianReefer · May 9, 2017

I used Cupramine by Seachem.

I couldn't find Coppersafe in Canada and really, everyone seemed split down the middle as to what was a better/safer product.

Humblefish · May 9, 2017

CanadianReefer said:
I used Cupramine by Seachem.

I couldn't find Coppersafe in Canada and really, everyone seemed split down the middle as to what was a better/safer product.

Can you get Copper Power (another chelated copper product)? I think you'll find chelated works better on wrasses & anthias than ionic.

CanadianReefer · May 10, 2017

Humblefish said:
Can you get Copper Power (another chelated copper product)? I think you'll find chelated works better on wrasses & anthias than ionic.

For this round, it's too late, but once my QT is empty and my DT is back up and running, I'd like to replace the wrasses that I lost so perhaps I'll try the chelated copper next time around (if it's necessary, of course).

I'll try to locate it - I may be able to order the product from Amazon.com if it is deliverable to Canada.