Yellow tang and possible ich?

[royaleFork]

My yellow tang recently developed some spots on his fins and I suspect it might be ich. I quarantine or buy from Dr Reef, so not sure how it got in and am asking for a second opinion before I start treatment in case I am going down the wrong path. The tang does have some fin damage, but I believe it was caused by my return pump being set too low for a few days before I fixed a plumbing issue. Since then, I have fixed the issue and added selcon to its diet and the fins are greatly improved, but now I am dealing with some white spots

Attached are some pictures and a video, here is a link to the video in case the player doesn't want to work:

 

[Hyphnx]

Is this the only fish in the tank? Did you QT the inverts/corals?

Can you provide some more details on the current setup and the stocking list?

 

[royaleFork]

Is this the only fish in the tank? Did you QT the inverts/corals?

Can you provide some more details on the current setup and the stocking list?

Yellow tang (this fish) - Biota - Quarantine
Chalk Bass - LFS - Quarantined for 4 weeks in copper
2 Black and White clown fish - Dr Reef
1 Banggai Cardinal - Dr Reef

All are juvenile fish

No inverts or coral added yet (was looking at a clean up crew soon, but not needed yet)

Tank: 100g High (so 48x18x30)
Ammonia: 0.0
Nitrate: 5
Salinity 1.025
Temp: 79 (seattle is currently under a heat wave and none of the houses were built for it, so using ice bottles in the sump)
Tank age: 1 month

 

[vetteguy53081]

My yellow tang recently developed some spots on his fins and I suspect it might be ich. I quarantine or buy from Dr Reef, so not sure how it got in and am asking for a second opinion before I start treatment in case I am going down the wrong path. The tang does have some fin damage, but I believe it was caused by my return pump being set too low for a few days before I fixed a plumbing issue. Since then, I have fixed the issue and added selcon to its diet and the fins are greatly improved, but now I am dealing with some white spots

Attached are some pictures and a video, here is a link to the video in case the player doesn't want to work:

The fish is distant in the pics and the video is quite short. Need closer pics and it can be ich, flukes or lympho nut unconfirmed at this time. I believe there is evidence of tail nipping from other occupants and need to know what other fish in tank if you've noticed aggression.
Is this a newer tank?

 

[Sharkbait19]

Could you get some closer pics? Are the spots fuzzy or more like grains of salt?
New tangs often break out in lymphocytosis, which could be what you are seeing as opposed to ich.

 

[Hyphnx]

Yellow tang (this fish) - Biota - Quarantine
Chalk Bass - LFS - Quarantined for 4 weeks in copper
2 Black and White clown fish - Dr Reef
1 Banggai Cardinal - Dr Reef

All are juvenile fish

No inverts or coral added yet (was looking at a clean up crew soon, but not needed yet)

Tank: 100g High (so 48x18x30)
Ammonia: 0.0
Nitrate: 5
Salinity 1.025
Temp: 79 (seattle is currently under a heat wave and none of the houses were built for it, so using ice bottles in the sump)
Tank age: 1 month

Did the Yellow Tang come quarantined? and the Chalk Bass, was that Quarantined at the LFS or self quarantined?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Yellow tang (this fish) - Biota - Quarantine
Chalk Bass - LFS - Quarantined for 4 weeks in copper
2 Black and White clown fish - Dr Reef
1 Banggai Cardinal - Dr Reef

All are juvenile fish

No inverts or coral added yet (was looking at a clean up crew soon, but not needed yet)

Tank: 100g High (so 48x18x30)
Ammonia: 0.0
Nitrate: 5
Salinity 1.025
Temp: 79 (seattle is currently under a heat wave and none of the houses were built for it, so using ice bottles in the sump)
Tank age: 1 month

We both posted at the same time.
Clowns are my suspects while bass rarely causes issues but has teeth. I would not recommend this fish in a one month tank that is subject to ammonia spikes and chemistry changes.
Was tang quarantined?

 

[royaleFork]

We both posted at the same time.
Clowns are my suspects while bass rarely causes issues but has teeth. I would not recommend this fish in a one month tank that is subject to ammonia spikes and chemistry changes.
Was tang quarantined?

Tang was quarantined before adding, yes. The clowns are smaller than the tang and have shown no interest in nipping or doing anything but chill on the side of the tank except for their evening zoomies where the race around in circles. The chalk bass is very small and does everything it can to stay away from the tang (the tang, while small, is the biggest fish in the tank by far).

 

[royaleFork]

Did the Yellow Tang come quarantined? and the Chalk Bass, was that Quarantined at the LFS or self quarantined?

Tang did not but I did quarantine it. The Chalk Bass was Quarantined by me. This is also my first setup, so I am not saying my quarantine was perfect either which is why I am not ruling out ich.

 

[royaleFork]

Could you get some closer pics? Are the spots fuzzy or more like grains of salt?
New tangs often break out in lymphocytosis, which could be what you are seeing as opposed to ich.

Will these do?

 

[Hyphnx]

Tang was quarantined before adding, yes. The clowns are smaller than the tang and have shown no interest in nipping or doing anything but chill on the side of the tank except for their evening zoomies where the race around in circles. The chalk bass is very small and does everything it can to stay away from the tang (the tang, while small, is the biggest fish in the tank by far).

Clowns are aggressive.. They are extremely territorial. As for Ich.. I am no expert even though my degree says other wise but I would take every precaution I could. I would start by making sure the Yellow Tang has enough greens to eat and also feed supplements help. Selcon is great, I meal prep. I add Vita Chem, Zoe, Beta Glucan and Selcon in my fish food.

I will say it does look like Lymphocystis but keeping the fish fed and healthy will help with that and other diseases. Also having KanaPlex, MetroPlex and Focus is something good to have on hand. But be careful that Focus binds the medicines to the food which are not Reef Safe.

 

[MnFish1]

Sorry to skip the other responses - I apologize - on my phone I can't see them.; The spots are there - they look like a parasite - was the fish quarantined? If not - I would follow the protocol at the top of the forum. If so - I would make sure that you followed it exactly. The most obvious thing is the fin damage - which IMHO is severe aggression . This should also be addressed as soon as you can

 

[Colton Yuchnewicz]

honestly can't tell 100% but from the pics it seems to be in rough shape. I wouldn't say ich right now just from what i seen. however, time will tell. and ich isn't the worse thing to have in a new fish.

 

[MnFish1]

Clowns are aggressive.. They are extremely territorial. As for Ich.. I am no expert even though my degree says other wise but I would take every precaution I could. I would start by making sure the Yellow Tang has enough greens to eat and also feed supplements help. Selcon is great, I meal prep. I add Vita Chem, Zoe, Beta Glucan and Selcon in my fish food.

I will say it does look like Lymphocystis but keeping the fish fed and healthy will help with that and other diseases. Also having KanaPlex, MetroPlex and Focus is something good to have on hand. But be careful that Focus binds the medicines to the food which are not Reef Safe.

This does not look like lymphocystis. And IMHO - food will not make a difference here. The fish needs treatment/sequestration. Selcon I think is kind of a myth - but not sure why you're recommending kanaplex, metroplex and focus. One disease - one treatment - The fish should be put in a QT tank - treated - and then figure out the aggression part IMHO

EDIT - actually - there is also lymphocystis. Can you say how old the fish is, etc

 

[MnFish1]

Tang did not but I did quarantine it. The Chalk Bass was Quarantined by me. This is also my first setup, so I am not saying my quarantine was perfect either which is why I am not ruling out ich.

The key question is 'how did you quarantine it'

 

[royaleFork]

Clowns are aggressive.. They are extremely territorial. As for Ich.. I am no expert even though my degree says other wise but I would take every precaution I could. I would start by making sure the Yellow Tang has enough greens to eat and also feed supplements help. Selcon is great, I meal prep. I add Vita Chem, Zoe, Beta Glucan and Selcon in my fish food.

I will say it does look like Lymphocystis but keeping the fish fed and healthy will help with that and other diseases. Also having KanaPlex, MetroPlex and Focus is something good to have on hand. But be careful that Focus binds the medicines to the food which are not Reef Safe.

Usually when the tang swims up to the clowns, they all just kind of hang out for a bit, but I will keep my eye on them to see if I see some aggression. They also swim half way up the water column away from the rocks the Tang usually swims around, but as I said, I will keep watching them.

I have seen 0 aggression in this tank and the Tang seems to hang out with everyone at one point or another. Is there a time where aggression is usually higher? The tank is in my home office, so I am around it all day.

Right now, the diet for the tank is (feed 3 times a day):
Every meal:
Frozen Hikari Marine
Frozen Hikari Marine Algae

Rotate between meals:
Frozen Hikari Mysis Shrimp
Frozen Hikari Brine Shrimp
Frozen Copepods

Daily:
Julian Sprungs Dried Nori Leaf

Longer video:

 

[vetteguy53081]

Tang was quarantined before adding, yes. The clowns are smaller than the tang and have shown no interest in nipping or doing anything but chill on the side of the tank except for their evening zoomies where the race around in circles. The chalk bass is very small and does everything it can to stay away from the tang (the tang, while small, is the biggest fish in the tank by far).

Will these do?

The problem at times with adding quarantined fish especially those shipped right awat is that they go through stress of netting, bagging, temperature changes, etc and we have to assume they are carrying somethingThese are mucus cones associated with marine ich and fish will need to be quarantined. Treat with Coppersafe or Copper Power at therapeutic level 2.25-2.5 For a FULL 30 days (do not interrupt this 30 day period) monitored by a reliable Copper Test kit . Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone.
The display tank will have to be kept fishless (FALLOW) for 6-8 weeks to assure the existing parasites go through their life cycle without a host fish and die off. Also while these younger tangs show ribs and lighter color- assure its getting a proper diet

 

[Uncle99]

Resembles ick to me as well, but pics may distort, video I see nothing.

 

[Hyphnx]

This does not look like lymphocystis. And IMHO - food will not make a difference here. The fish needs treatment/sequestration. Selcon I think is kind of a myth - but not sure why you're recommending kanaplex, metroplex and focus. One disease - one treatment - The fish should be put in a QT tank - treated - and then figure out the aggression part IMHO

EDIT - actually - there is also lymphocystis. Can you say how old the fish is, etc

I meant to add as a backup in case it has to go back into QT. That was my mistake.

Usually when the tang swims up to the clowns, they all just kind of hang out for a bit, but I will keep my eye on them to see if I see some aggression. They also swim half way up the water column away from the rocks the Tang usually swims around, but as I said, I will keep watching them.

I have seen 0 aggression in this tank and the Tang seems to hang out with everyone at one point or another. Is there a time where aggression is usually higher? The tank is in my home office, so I am around it all day.

Right now, the diet for the tank is (feed 3 times a day):
Every meal:
Frozen Hikari Marine
Frozen Hikari Marine Algae

Rotate between meals:
Frozen Hikari Mysis Shrimp
Frozen Hikari Brine Shrimp
Frozen Copepods

Daily:
Julian Sprungs Dried Nori Leaf

Longer video:

With the video posted the Tang looks to be mainly hanging out in one spot. Tangs are swimmers, they are known to never really stop swimming. That behavior could be an indication of stress. Whether it be a disease or aggression from the other fish.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Usually when the tang swims up to the clowns, they all just kind of hang out for a bit, but I will keep my eye on them to see if I see some aggression. They also swim half way up the water column away from the rocks the Tang usually swims around, but as I said, I will keep watching them.

I have seen 0 aggression in this tank and the Tang seems to hang out with everyone at one point or another. Is there a time where aggression is usually higher? The tank is in my home office, so I am around it all day.

Right now, the diet for the tank is (feed 3 times a day):
Every meal:
Frozen Hikari Marine
Frozen Hikari Marine Algae

Rotate between meals:
Frozen Hikari Mysis Shrimp
Frozen Hikari Brine Shrimp
Frozen Copepods

Daily:
Julian Sprungs Dried Nori Leaf

Longer video:

To your diet- add any of these:
LRS fish frenzy.
small plankton
Formula 2 frozen

Add selcon vitamins to the foods occasionally