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Have you ever done something with your reef that everyone said was nuts? More important, did you get away with it, or did you crash and burn? Did you at least try something that the “reef establishment” said could not be done, or SHOULD NOT be done? Wasn’t it fun? Expensive. Embarrassing, perhaps…

But fun, right?

Did you try something “different” than what “they” say is the way to go? Something that provoked those kind of "If man were meant to fly..."-type comments?

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"It'll never work." Ok, so maybe they were right about this one, but...

I mean, something ill-advised, sort of crazy, off-the-wall, or just downright kooky? Or, did you act on one of those ridiculous ideas that someone threw out when tossing back a couple of brews with the gang after the frag swap or club meeting? Something totally wild?

Relax. You're among friends.

As one who has been known to take a few chances, go against prevailing “reef wisdom”, and generally push the outside of the envelope a bit (as well as encouraging others to indulge in similar foolhardy adventures), I have even developed an unofficial “classification system” for such free thinking.

Of course I’m going to share it with you, because it’s important for me to continue to nurture disruptive behavior. That’s what makes the hobby great, right? So, here we go, with the “Fellman Scale of Innovative Thought”, which consists of "categories" of ideas:


Ill-Advised Ideas- I’m probably most guilty of this one, along with the majority of reefers who dare ask the “establishment”, WHY? Examples of this would be things like the time I was convinced that I could keep 4 different types of Centropyge Angels together in a 255-gallon reef system without calamity or bloodshed. It was exacerbated, of course, because I went with a mature (yeah, no juveniles for me) Flame, a Lemonpeel, a Vrolicki, and a Coral Beauty…in a REEF TANK! After the days (yeah, DAYS, not weeks or months) went by, in addition to relentless territorial battles reminiscent of the tribal areas of Afghanistan, my prized LPS collection was showing signs of, as one of my friends eloquently put it, “wear and tear…”

You can imagine how fun it was to break down the aquascape (“Multiple bommies, so that each Angel has it’s own territory”, I reminded myself before I embarked on this foolish escapade.) after I came to my senses and decided to end the grand “experiment.” Hey, this one was a product of my own arrogance, and I was really convinced at the outset of the experiment that I was to be THE ONE who could pull this off. Did I admit defeat? Nope. I just concluded that it could work better with a larger tank...

Arrogance. Simple arrogance. But it was interesting.


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"With enough territories, more than one can totally co-exist." Maybe. Right?


Sort of Crazy Ideas- You DIY-types are usually more “guilty” of this one…You know, stuff like top-off systems that involve dosing kalkwasser, surge devices in your living room, 4 chambered recirculating calcium reactors, homemade refrigeration systems for cold-water reefs, automatic liquid food dosers, etc. "Improvements", you call them. The "better mousetrap" is your thing. I mean, these ideas are usually pretty nice, and represent many of the great values that we have in the hobby (the independent spirit, adventure, the pursuit for knowledge..the desire to save a few bucks…). Yours is a world of duct tape, twist ties, and Home Depot runs. Ideas haunt you at night...Some of these ideas are just a little too advanced for our skills, or perhaps there is really no inexpensive way to make an all-in-one-surge/autofeeding system for under $1,500. Well, maybe there is…It’s just that kind of thinking that keeps the creative (well, you can call them “sort of crazy”) ideas flowing…


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"Why limit yourself to two wheels?"



Off-The-Wall Ideas- This is typically the realm of newbies..or even experienced reefers- who, because of their genuine innocence, love of the hobby, and/or “Why CAN’T it be done?” mindset, come up with some of the craziest ideas of all- and often execute them, albeit with mixed results. I think we should really consider them “outside the box” ideas, however. Ideas like Aiptasia “farms” for nutrient export, plankton “reactors”, multi-level gradient cryptic zone filtration systems, etc., which have a great theoretical effectiveness, yet may be challenging to apply in reality. Nonetheless, it’s at this “level” that real hobby innovations often occur…Stuff like electronic monitors/controllers for aquarium functions, controllable internal pumps, breeding setups for fishes like Cuttlefish. Many great companies, both in and out of the aquarium hobby sector, were founded on just such a mindset. And, you’ll recall, it wasn’t that many years ago that the idea of cutting up frags of Acropora to grow out on ceramic plugs seemed pretty “off-the-wall”, right?



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"You want to grow...what?


Downright Kooky Ideas- This is the type of stuff that gives our hobby the appearance of being a bit, well- eccentric- to outsiders. Stuff like converting indoor swimming pools to reefs, building aquariums that look like telephone booths and Ford Pintos (heh, heh, couldn’t resist), 10 ml ultra-pico reefs, trying to grow gamefish in a home aquarium, etc. etc. Look, I’ll be the first to tip my hat to the dreamers, free thinkers, and even the eccentrics among us. However, I’ve always been a bit of a realist…I mean, counterproductive, hurtful, and idiotic thinking is never in vogue. Yet, where would we be without the truly absurd stuff to give us some a) comic relief, b) measure of how serious we take this stuff, and c) ability to let our passions (and our checkbooks, all to often) run wild from time to time. Brainstorming is great…Bringing down the ideas from the ”Downright Kooky” region into the “Off-The-Wall” territory results- many times- in some of the best innovations that we have ever seen.

So, dear reefer friends, don’t be put off or led astray by “conventional” reef thinking, if there even is such a thing…Rather, allow your mind to wander, your passions to soar, your visions to take flight- and your dreams to come true. Don’t put them out with the “wet towel of negativity…” Rather, temper them and nurture them with the spirit of innovation. Keep those ideas flowing, visualize a way to make them become practical realities, and think about the greater good your developed dream will unleash upon the hobby. Disregard the spills, glued fingers, frayed nerves, short circuits, cracked aquariums, and occasional insurance claims. Think of the bigger picture: The conquering of new worlds, the sharing of new ideas, and innovations as yet undreamed of, which will forever change the hobby for the better.


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"...And we call it the iPod..."

I close with a classic quote, often attributed to the great Mark Twain, which holds much relevance to this diatribe:

“Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.”


Don’t shoot down that wacky, sleep-deprived, alcohol-induced idea that you and your buddies concocted at 3:30 AM at a MACNA…even if it IS “Downright Kooky!”

Let’s hear of your triumphs, tragedies, absurd ideas, and amazing innovations. Be open, be honest…Be aware. And most of all…

Stay Wet.

Regards,

Scott Fellman
Unique Corals
 
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Love this one!

I come up with crazy stuff all the time to make things better here at CC but its policy to bounce them off of Brett and let them simmer before putting them into action.

Really, really great, one of your best Scott.
 
Love this one!

I come up with crazy stuff all the time to make things better here at CC but its policy to bounce them off of Brett and let them simmer before putting them into action.

Really, really great, one of your best Scott.

Thanks, was fun to write, and I think there rate many truisms in there for reefers. I am absolutely NOT surprised that you're a subscriber to free thinking..It's what's made Cherry Corals one of the best of the best!

I'm pretty sure that this applies to most of us whack jobs who do this for a living, so I am sure there are many hobbyists like us out there!

-Scott
 
I'm running my 50g off a fluval fx6 my dad gave me...does that count? It was supposed to be for my freshwater 125 but that broke in our move. I plan to clean it weekly. Never seen my water so detritus-free O.o
 
I've been dosing Potassium Nitrate at exactly 1ppm of nitrate per day sourced from some Stump Remover at Menards for the past couple months now and I have never been happier with my reef! I have always fed lightly to keep phosphates under control, but this also left me sadly with 0 nitrates for almost 2 years (and I really mean 0 nitrates - not even the faintest tinge of pink of my Salifert tests). This left my tank nitrate limited and my acros hated it and while they were colorful, they were more pastel and washed out. Since I can actually maintain a low level of nitrates in balance with my phosphate levels, bacteria are readily able to naturally keep my nutrients under control - even with massive input. Plus, I now have some nitrate in the water for my corals to utilize.

Because of this, I have been able to more than quadruple my feeding, feeding several times per day and target feeding 3x weekly with lots of good frozen food. My acros have reacted almost overnight and my acans have never been happier - they even put up with the light for my acros when they are fat and happily fed. Instead of pastel, washed out, and pale acros - they are much more richly and deeply colored.

1/4 TSP of pure KNO3 dissolved in 423ml (or 400 for those rounding) of RODI gives you a nice solution of 1ppm Nitrate for 1 Gallon of water with each milliliter of solution!

Obviously, this isn't for everyone - but it has been the best thing I have ever done to my reef! GFO was taken offline and I never looked back. With Calcium Acetate from Kalk+Vinegar giving me a little boost of carbon, this has worked out incredibly.
 
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I think a fair amount of guests to my house (as well as my wife at times) thinks that having 200 gallons of saltwater flowing through the wall to the basement and up again through a historical house I spent 6 month renovating just to have a slice of the ocean in my dining room is a kooky idea. I tell them it's cheaper than insanity or moving to the South Pacific! Kooky is all relative, right!?
 
I think a fair amount of guests to my house (as well as my wife at times) thinks that having 200 gallons of saltwater flowing through the wall to the basement and up again through a historical house I spent 6 month renovating just to have a slice of the ocean in my dining room is a kooky idea. I tell them it's cheaper than insanity or moving to the South Pacific! Kooky is all relative, right!?

Absolutely...or, as Forrest Gump might have put it:

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Keep innovating!

-Scott
 
I've had people get after me for using vinegar in my very young tank. My question is, "Why not?" It should do exactly what I need it to do - spur the growth of denitrifiers - and I don't see how the age of the tank has anything to do with it.
 
I've been dosing Potassium Nitrate at exactly 1ppm of nitrate per day sourced from some Stump Remover at Menards for the past couple months now and I have never been happier with my reef! I have always fed lightly to keep phosphates under control, but this also left me sadly with 0 nitrates for almost 2 years (and I really mean 0 nitrates - not even the faintest tinge of pink of my Salifert tests). This left my tank nitrate limited and my acros hated it and while they were colorful, they were more pastel and washed out. Since I can actually maintain a low level of nitrates in balance with my phosphate levels, bacteria are readily able to naturally keep my nutrients under control - even with massive input. Plus, I now have some nitrate in the water for my corals to utilize.

Because of this, I have been able to more than quadruple my feeding, feeding several times per day and target feeding 3x weekly with lots of good frozen food. My acros have reacted almost overnight and my acans have never been happier - they even put up with the light for my acros when they are fat and happily fed. Instead of pastel, washed out, and pale acros - they are much more richly and deeply colored.

1/4 TSP of pure KNO3 dissolved in 423ml (or 400 for those rounding) of RODI gives you a nice solution of 1ppm Nitrate for 1 Gallon of water with each milliliter of solution!

Obviously, this isn't for everyone - but it has been the best thing I have ever done to my reef! GFO was taken offline and I never looked back. With Calcium Acetate from Kalk+Vinegar giving me a little boost of carbon, this has worked out incredibly.

Just the fact that you're using a component of gunpowder derived from stump remover qualifies you as cool, if there was any doubt. This idea definitely falls into the "Off-The-Wall" category, and I appreciate you sharing your experiences with everyone...

-Scott
 
I've had people get after me for using vinegar in my very young tank. My question is, "Why not?" It should do exactly what I need it to do - spur the growth of denitrifiers - and I don't see how the age of the tank has anything to do with it.

A classic example of thinking about modifying an "accepted" approach to meet your needs...an adjustment, for sure!

-Scott
 
I've had people get after me for using vinegar in my very young tank. My question is, "Why not?" It should do exactly what I need it to do - spur the growth of denitrifiers - and I don't see how the age of the tank has anything to do with it.

When I encounter something like this I always try to look for other peoples' similar experiences. If I don't find a resounding number of failures, or anything at all on it, then if the idea makes sense 'Why not?' :)
 
Great post, Scott, and I must admit to getting a kick out of making the 'impossible'...possible.


I remember a spirited discussion on one of the sites with some indivuals who were very sure that the extremely simple gravity fed ATO/Kalkwasser doser I came up with for a Nano wouldn't work due to various physical principles that it seemed to be violating. I actually ran some quasi-scientifc tests with it outside the aquarium just to prove the concept. 6+ years on and I still smile everytime I fill it up :)


The other ones I hear are; "You can't run a stony coral nano tank without filtration" and "You can't grow SPS in a predominately 'Shroom filled tank". Been having fun doing both for many years in just 10g of water :)

Although, I haven't tried sticking a bunch of Centropyge in my Nano...hmmm... ;)
 
Great post, Scott, and I must admit to getting a kick out of making the 'impossible'...possible.


I remember a spirited discussion on one of the sites with some indivuals who were very sure that the extremely simple gravity fed ATO/Kalkwasser doser I came up with for a Nano wouldn't work due to various physical principles that it seemed to be violating. I actually ran some quasi-scientifc tests with it outside the aquarium just to prove the concept. 6+ years on and I still smile everytime I fill it up :)


The other ones I hear are; "You can't run a stony coral nano tank without filtration" and "You can't grow SPS in a predominately 'Shroom filled tank". Been having fun doing both for many years in just 10g of water :)

Although, I haven't tried sticking a bunch of Centropyge in my Nano...hmmm... ;)

LOL- If I were more of a nut job, I'd tell you to go for it! LOL

-Scott
 
I ran a SPS only zeovit bare bottom tank without any rock or sand (well I did have a small Tupperware container with sand for my wrasse) for three years. Worked very well. I recently caught the fish bug, so I added a couple pieces of rock for my fish to hide/sleep at night. That is about the most unique/crazy approach I can come up with. James
 

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