Zoas ID

rgaleana2009 · Dec 19, 2018

Hello R2Rs,

Wondering if you can help me with the IDs of the following zoas. Also if you can calculate the cost of these colonies , it would be helpful.

Thanks for all your help

James M · Dec 19, 2018

Hard to price without knowing how many polyps there are on each morph
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/come-here-for-zoa-ids.455830/

Capitol Reef Corals · Dec 19, 2018

Don't know the name of all of them. One could be Green Bay Packers.

Personally, I could see someone paying $50-$75 for that. Simply because there are ~5 different types of zoas on there. I can tell you that none of them are "high end" though. Again, this is my personal opinion, which could be skewed since I definitely prefer the "high end" stuff lol. Sorry I couldn't help more.

rgaleana2009 · Dec 19, 2018

Stephen Petruzzo said:
Don't know the name of all of them. One could be Green Bay Packers.

Personally, I could see someone paying $50-$75 for that. Simply because there are ~5 different types of zoas on there. I can tell you that none of them are "high end" though. Again, this is my personal opinion, which could be skewed since I definitely prefer the "high end" stuff lol. Sorry I couldn't help more.

Thanks Stephen for your comments

rgaleana2009 · Dec 19, 2018

James M said:
Hard to price without knowing how many polyps there are on each morph
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/come-here-for-zoa-ids.455830/

Thanks James , do you know the id of some of the zoas? Thanks

Cthulukelele · Dec 19, 2018

Stephen Petruzzo said:
Don't know the name of all of them. One could be Green Bay Packers.

Personally, I could see someone paying $50-$75 for that. Simply because there are ~5 different types of zoas on there. I can tell you that none of them are "high end" though. Again, this is my personal opinion, which could be skewed since I definitely prefer the "high end" stuff lol. Sorry I couldn't help more.

What makes a "high end" zoa? Not dissing or anything. It just confuses me (especially when I'm shopping). There's lots of bright colors on all of them with several colors on each one. To my eye those seem comparable with lots of the stuff being sold for 10x as much from a lot of boutique websites but the pics taken under less blue lights with a crappier camera. Is it a rarity and lineage thing?

Capitol Reef Corals · Dec 20, 2018

Cthulukelele said:
What makes a "high end" zoa? Not dissing or anything. It just confuses me (especially when I'm shopping). There's lots of bright colors on all of them with several colors on each one. To my eye those seem comparable with lots of the stuff being sold for 10x as much from a lot of boutique websites but the pics taken under less blue lights with a crappier camera. Is it a rarity and lineage thing?

Like you said, most of the high end zoas have a brand name associated with them (WWC, JF, GB, etc.). This alone makes them worth more to most people because they come from a reputable seller with a good name, and isn't a generic "no-name" coral. A perfect example is clothes. Walmart sells clothes, so does Ralph Lauren and J. Crew, but consumers obviously see more value in reputable brand names (and their products), and will therefore spend more money at those stores. The same goes with coral branding.

The coloration and pattern is more of a personal preference I think. But in general, the "high end" stuff usually has brighter colors, better patterns, and rarer coloration. Most of the common zoas have a center that is bland and/or blended together. But the higher end stuff has a defined center and skirt where you can make out specific patterns. It can be captivating at times. Ex. Illuminati, bow-tie blasters, halls, speck kraks, JF *** kraks...

Another factor does have to do with rarity, especially in the price. Besides having a brand name, bright colors, and good patterns, some of the expensive zoas are extremely slow growers (Flaming Mohicans, Emperor V2). This alone can justify the cost of the zoa and bring it into the "high end" range. Most of the zoas mentioned above are moderate to slow growers, and their prices have relatively remained the same. On the other hand, Buttkissers, which were originally $200+pp, are fast growers, and the price point has shown that as you can find them now for $80-$100pp. A generic Vietnam zoas, which you can buy rocks with hundreds of polyps at one time, aren't worth much for a single polyp because there are literally thousands of them.

After being in the hobby for 5 years, and collecting zoas for 3 years, I only buy zoas now that pleases my eye first, I don't care about the name anymore. However, those zoas tend to be in the higher end of the market, simply because they look better.

Cthulukelele · Dec 20, 2018

Stephen Petruzzo said:
Like you said, most of the high end zoas have a brand name associated with them (WWC, JF, GB, etc.). This alone makes them worth more to most people because they come from a reputable seller with a good name, and isn't a generic "no-name" coral. A perfect example is clothes. Walmart sells clothes, so does Ralph Lauren and J. Crew, but consumers obviously see more value in reputable brand names (and their products), and will therefore spend more money at those stores. The same goes with coral branding.

The coloration and pattern is more of a personal preference I think. But in general, the "high end" stuff usually has brighter colors, better patterns, and rarer coloration. Most of the common zoas have a center that is bland and/or blended together. But the higher end stuff has a defined center and skirt where you can make out specific patterns. It can be captivating at times. Ex. Illuminati, bow-tie blasters, halls, speck kraks, JF *** kraks...

Another factor does have to do with rarity, especially in the price. Besides having a brand name, bright colors, and good patterns, some of the expensive zoas are extremely slow growers (Flaming Mohicans, Emperor V2). This alone can justify the cost of the zoa and bring it into the "high end" range. Most of the zoas mentioned above are moderate to slow growers, and their prices have relatively remained the same. On the other hand, Buttkissers, which were originally $200+pp, are fast growers, and the price point has shown that as you can find them now for $80-$100pp. A generic Vietnam zoas, which you can buy rocks with hundreds of polyps at one time, aren't worth much for a single polyp because there are literally thousands of them.

After being in the hobby for 5 years, and collecting zoas for 3 years, I only buy zoas now that pleases my eye first, I don't care about the name anymore. However, those zoas tend to be in the higher end of the market, simply because they look better.

Thanks that's kinda what I thought, but it was nice to have such a thoughtful explanation!

JBKReef · Dec 20, 2018

Depends on your market, I live in Cincinnati and pieces like this with 7 different types of zoas, and many polyps, $150 for the whole thing easy.

Granted if you fragged this up and did 3-4 polyp frags you could charge at least $10-15 for each frag probably closer to $200 but it would take you much longer to sell everything.