10X Turnover... How to achieve?

[esther]

Thanks everyone. Super helpful!!

 

[Gareth elliott]

I find 2-3x sufficient for my needs. Much more it gets pretty loud. I dont know what the additional flow creates tbh. Ive never found my sump vs display values different when testing on any paramter.

 

[motortrendz]

Just like the picture.

Plumbing Sizes:
Main Drain - DN32
Emergency Overflow - DN32
Pump Return - DN25
Nozzles - DN15 x 2

Ok.so at 32mm that's a 1.25in pipe. So your at best gonna get about 1000gph flow though it. more with a syphon but then back down as you close the gate, the second drain shouldn't have anything running though it. it's an emergency drain like in a herby style drain. So that right there should give you your answer. About 1000gph though your sump so that's about 5x turn over... the rest should be done with the mp40s

 

[Crabs McJones]

I'm running 10X through my sump. I have a 75 with a 20 gallon sump and a sicce syncra 4.0 (951 gph) I know it's likely slightly less than that with head loss, but all you have to do is fine tune your gate valve and good to go

 

[TheHarold]

Procedure: fully open valve. Increase pump. Then close valve until silent

 

[crusso1993]

Just like the picture.

Plumbing Sizes:
Main Drain - DN32
Emergency Overflow - DN32
Pump Return - DN25
Nozzles - DN15 x 2

With a main drain of DN32 (1.25") being fed through gravity the absolute maximum flow you'll get is 1,500 gph. This will not allow you to get the 10X rate recommended by Triton.

Below is a link of flow rates for future reference.

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flexpvc.com

 

[bobby.w.hodges]

As far as overflow of the sump. Turn the power off and let the drain settle out then fill the sump up to an inch or two under to very top. Turn the power back on and mark the max fill height with system running, as long as you are under the max mark it won't ever overflow due to power loss.

 

[DaneGer21]

To put head loss into perspective, I run a Jebao dct12000 which capable of 3150gph@100% and 0 head.

I have about 8’ of head pressure and about a half dozen 90’s to get it up stairs to my display. It then splits from 1” to two 3/4” returns. I also have a 1” flow sensor on each of my 3/4” returns.

I am getting a total of about 370gph of actual flow; 190’ish and 180’ish per side.

It blew my mind. Now I’m looking to upgrade pumps now that I know.

 

[SPSReeferMI]

Actually, since this is a Waterbox, may I ask you a few questions?

1.) Is the noise coming from the sump or from the overflow? Depending on where it’s coming from, I’d recommend different ideas.
2.) Is it coming form the overflow? If so, be sure to tune the gate valve until you’re getting just a trickle down the emergency drain (you may have already tried this). You might struggle to get to 10x, but I bet you can get to 8x with the overflow not making too much noise.
3.) If your gate valve is properly tuned, shut off your MP40s/MP60s temporarily to see if that silences things for you. Waves in my waterbox can make the overflow a bit more noisy - so during the day when my MP40s are on high the overflow is louder. A picture would help!
4.) If it’s coming from the sump, there are a couple of things. Do you have the black divider in place? It helps keep the levels between all of the baffles at the right point minimal drops between. A picture of your sump at full speed would help too!

Personally I run my Waterbox 170 at 30% on a cor20, which I bet is about 600 GPH give or take.

 

[Kodski]

I don't run the triton method, so someone please step in, but does it require 10x turnover on the sump, or just total tank turnover? If its total tank turnover then its easy with the powerheads as others have stated.

Quoting Triton's website here... "Water first flows through the algae bed, overflowing to the skimmer area.
Flowing underneath the separation glass to the return pump,
which should have a flow rate equal to approximately
10X the volume of the main display tank. "

 

[justingraham]

Actually, since this is a Waterbox, may I ask you a few questions?

1.) Is the noise coming from the sump or from the overflow? Depending on where it’s coming from, I’d recommend different ideas.
2.) Is it coming form the overflow? If so, be sure to tune the gate valve until you’re getting just a trickle down the emergency drain (you may have already tried this). You might struggle to get to 10x, but I bet you can get to 8x with the overflow not making too much noise.
3.) If your gate valve is properly tuned, shut off your MP40s/MP60s temporarily to see if that silences things for you. Waves in my waterbox can make the overflow a bit more noisy - so during the day when my MP40s are on high the overflow is louder. A picture would help!
4.) If it’s coming from the sump, there are a couple of things. Do you have the black divider in place? It helps keep the levels between all of the baffles at the right point minimal drops between. A picture of your sump at full speed would help too!

Personally I run my Waterbox 170 at 30% on a cor20, which I bet is about 600 GPH give or take.

More like 200 gph prolly less

I have it on 70% with 1 1/4 return pipe and only getting 546 even at 100% I barely broke 600 gph

only so much water can go thru a 3/4 pipe opening and if u don’t have it plumbed right it doesn’t matter what pump u have