40 breeder with Tangs ethical?

[bct15]

Regardless of anything said on here if we're talking about a 20 gallon verses a 90 gallon verses a 180 gallon against the ocean there is no comparison. If we really want to get into Ethics a lot of people that get deep into that would say we should never even take them out of the ocean. Why do we take them out of the ocean because we are a selfish people who want what we want. So how can a person who has a 180 gallon tank say to someone that has a 50 gallon tank I can do this but you can't do that. That's what I mean by arrogance.

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This is what every person eventually said that said it is ok to keep an adult tang in a gold fish bowl, my analogy is like this...is living in only your bedroom enough living space to carry out your entire life, is living in your entire house enough space to carry out your entire life, is living only within city limits enough space, and I can keep going up. Every person and creature has a space minimum that is necessary for life to be comfortable.

As far as creatures from the ocean, observation in a natural environment as well as an aquarium environment has been carried out throughout the years an passed on to the aquarium industry to best care for the creatures being placed in the aquariums. For example certain jawfish may never venture more than a foot from their burrow, clownfish will never go farther than they can see from their host, and a school of tangs will stay within a certain range while the food supply lasts. This information is based off of observation in the wild and aquarium environments (large public and research facilities). Based off of these observations a minimum space required to keep the animals comfortable has been formulated. This is the rule of thumb you will see on live aquaria and other fish care guideline sights.

These minimum tank requirements were formulated a while back when more rock and less open space was the norm, which is why that one article discusses swimming space versus size ratios...however unless a 40 breeder is completely empty there really is not going to be enough swimming space for an adult tang. To go against the research and advice because you know more than those who research and collect these fish is like a slap in the face and is a perfect example of arrogance.

My personal take on it is the tank is to small but like others say the OP can do whatever they want a long as they can sleep at night. My personal issue is to post a thread asking for advice then blatantly discarding the advice that does not coincide with the OPs viewpoint. If you are not going to follow the advice you ask for don't ask in the first place.

The tang police would have a heart attack if they read I keep three tangs in a 150 (66in x 22in x ??in), an adult yellow tang (5 in very thick), an adult powder blue (4 in very thick), and a medium yellow belly blue (4 - 5 in)


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[Dana]

yeah yeah, over the years much research has gone into tons of crap that was later on discovered to be dangerous. mercury was used to treat syphillis. cocaine was used to treat tons of things… the list goes on and on

 

[Keepnitreel]

yeah yeah, over the years much research has gone into tons of crap that was later on discovered to be dangerous. mercury was used to treat syphillis. cocaine was used to treat tons of things… the list goes on and on

Asbestos was a great insulation

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[bct15]

I don't see how you guys are comparing mercury and asbestos to fish keeping but your logic is actually backward, these products were used without extensive research (and the small amount of research indicated the products to be harmful but the companies used them anyway) and then later (after research) found to be harmful. You can sit there and list technological advances that were counterproductive but for every single one I can name one hundred that were productive. Do you think you could even have a fish tank or maintain sps coral if the care requirements were not researched and passed on to you? Could you have a saltwater tank if the difference between fresh water and salt water was not researched? Would you have a computer and the Internet to post your viewpoints without research? Would you have products like a protein skimmer, understand gfo, parameter text kits, iPhone, a blended, an automobile, and the list goes on and on? No the you wouldn't you'd be stuck in a cave rubbing sticks together...now let the thread get back on topic.


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[1.0reef]

JMO, I think tangs are incredibly active and should get a 48in x 18in footprint min. If someone posts some novel that what I said is crazy. I will come knocking at your door a few days later with a copy of my newest book I DON'T CARE!!!!!!

 

[Texasnano]

Man this thread is going everywhere, so do we think this individual is gonna keep this tang for the whole life span or will he do like most reefers and when it gets to big trade him off to a reefer with a bigger tank, so I'm assuming every one follows all specs and guidlines for all ther equipment and fish.

 

[Keepnitreel]

Man this thread is going everywhere, so do we think this individual is gonna keep this tang for the whole life span or will he do like most reefers and when it gets to big trade him off to a reefer with a bigger tank, so I'm assuming every one follows all specs and guidlines for all ther equipment and fish.

Personally I think he will enjoy his tang for a little over a year before he trades it off.

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[SeahorseKeeper]

This thread has run its course.