40 breeder with Tangs ethical?

[bct15]

. And if it is a small tang (1-3") idk why a 40g would be so horrible? Now once they reach size where they need more room and show aggressive signs etc obviously you should put them in a later tank but my point is it will take more time for the tank to get that big from such a small size then the time you most likely will even have the tank up.

The guy already said it is a five inch purple tang, he can't magically make it in the 1-3" range. Even a three inch tang grows very very fast, I've gotten tabgs that were a little bigger than a quarter and they are over four inches long in less than a year, after tat thu stop getting length as fast and stsrtfetti thicker and bigger. Have you ever owned a purple tang? If you did you would know this is a disaster waiting to happen.



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[bct15]

I'm sorting very little information, but a lot of opinion/emotion. That's my conflict. I have not made a decision. But I take issue with a lack of a academic approach.




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Cherry picking through comments and articles to find statements that only coincide with the answer you want then discarding the rest is not being academic.


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[NanaReefer]

Cherry picking through comments and articles to find statements that only coincide with the answer you want then discarding the rest is not being academic.


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^^KUDOS^^


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[KJAG]

Cherry picking through comments and articles to find statements that only coincide with the answer you want then discarding the rest is not being academic.


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Couldn't agree more

 

[ParkerB]

The guy already said it is a five inch purple tang, he can't magically make it in the 1-3" range. Even a three inch tang grows very very fast, I've gotten tabgs that were a little bigger than a quarter and they are over four inches long in less than a year, after tat thu stop getting length as fast and stsrtfetti thicker and bigger. Have you ever owned a purple tang? If you did you would know this is a disaster waiting to happen.



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What? I said nothing about his purple tang personally.

my whole point is, you can very much so keep a tang in a smaller tank with no problems. That's it.. I never said magically shrink your tang. I also stated that there are many tanks that are 40-65g that own tangs and the tang itself is doing fine (Roy Howard's tank, PmRgs) that's it. I personally don't care what size tang anyone keeps in their tank. If the tang is happy an healthy is all that matters.

I guess in short terms "you don't have to stick to a guideline that tangs cannot be kept in small tanks"


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[ParkerB]

What? I said nothing about his purple tang personally.

my whole point is, you can very much so keep a tang in a smaller tank with no problems. That's it.. I never said magically shrink your tang. I also stated that there are many tanks that are 40-65g that own tangs and the tang itself is doing fine (Roy Howard's tank, PmRgs) that's it. I personally don't care what size tang anyone keeps in their tank. If the tang is happy an healthy is all that matters.

I guess in short terms "you don't have to stick to a guideline that tangs cannot be kept in small tanks"


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EDIT: i correct myself. It does look like I referred to him keeping a tang. I did not read enough and notice that he who started this thread was looking to get a 5" purple tang (guess I should read more) I thought we were talking about tangs period in a smaller tank.

My apologies for my miscommunication.


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[TonsOfun]

How many of y'all have ever owned birds before? Just saying.....

 

[PaulKreider]

Is it possible? Maybe, for a short period.
Is it Ethical? No.

 

[46gReef]

IMO, it's like keeping a child in a 15'x15' room until their 18...can you do it? I guess but it would be pretty messed up...not just about will they survive but will they fluorish? That's the bigger question......

 

[Lt Nos]

Merica...

Reminds me of the conversations at the gun store hear in Alaska.

We make choices and we live with them with pride or shame. I've been in the hobby for four years and I've never crashed a tank. I've lost one fish to a tumor and one to poor husbandry (snowflake with improperly installed cover) I will take this risk with the knowledge I have, and the good, bad and ugly opinions. If I succeed then it will add it to the list of victories despite the odds and that stubbornness has paid off in my life because its based on hard work an determination. If I fail I will own the lose and spread the gospel with my own hard won negative experience.

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[ritter6788]

I don't think it compares to locking a child in a room. Fish are born as part of the food chain. Fish don't get to grow old in the wild. Majority of them are eaten as soon as they are born. Others that make it breed and become food for something else eventually. They spend their days eating, breeding and defending themselves or hiding from predators. No matter what size tank you have, you are taking that fishes genes out of the pool which goes against the fishes instinct which is likely stressful to the fish.

People eat fish everyday and no one complains about that. We also catch other fish, shrimp, etc. to feed the fish we call pets. No one complains about all the mysis/silversides that are caught only to be fed as food. Many people catch fish and cut them up or hook them whole only to catch other fish. The native people that live in these areas our fish come from spear or net our pets for food. Many of them are flat out eaten whole by other fish. I'm betting that's stressful too.

We keep tangs as pets and because they are so nice to look at we become attached and defensive against anyone that doesn't give them a "proper" home. We cannot tell what the fish is thinking or how it feels. If you have any fish in your tank at all it's not big enough no matter what because they come originally from the ocean and every fish, coral, invert you have has taken some part away from the ocean. I find it hard to believe that something that is born to be food for something else feels a lot of stress, or they feel constant stress because they are always on guard.

I can't judge but I hope everyone keeping live animals contained in boxes (no matter what size) does what they think is best for the animals that they care for.

 

[Mike J.]

The truth of the matter is there are no laws in the U.S. about how you can kill a fish; AWA (Animal Welfare Act). In fact there are no laws about the welfare of any cold-blooded species, except for listed threatened or endangered ones. So, Lt Nos can kill, torture, or even eat his tang and there is nothing any one of us can do about it. I personally have no experience with Purple tangs, so that is why I didn't comment on it. I do however have personal experience with a Powder Blue tang and contrary to what Ritter wrote I can detect it's emotions, or I should say, interpret it's actions.

 

[ritter6788]

I'll let the person that successfully breeds tangs in an aquarium cast the first stone. Anything smaller is stressful to tangs since they can't do what they were born to do which is contribute back to the gene pool or be part of the food chain.

I have a 40 breeder that I don't plan on keeping any tangs in. I can't tell someone if it's right or wrong to do so. A tang in a 300 gallon can be just as unethical, but the fish has more swimming room.

 

[ingtar_shinowa]

Years and years ago I kept a yellow tang in a 46. it was one of 3 fish. The smallish space led to constant aggression though no one ever got hurt fro fighting per se, the tang eventually fought his reflection to death. I've been keeping tangs for years as they are my favorite fish. Those two tangs are 2 of the 3 most aggressive we keep in an aquarium.

I'll tell you right now its a bad idea, but then again I just saw a video of a 4' 150g with a uber fat Achillies so I mean sure there are exceptions. Unfortunately I think you'll find that a Purple tang in 3' tank is mean and deadly.

One last antitidote: Someone here kept a hippo and a yellow in a 55g with a mean green bird wrasse. They killed all the other fish over the years until all three fish were scarred and embattled The donated them to a new LFS (which was gross) and then sold to unsuspecting owners. The blue hippo and the green wrasse cause alot of issues in two of my reef club's tank and they took them back. The yellow went to another lady and it killed 3 fish in 2 days in her 180g and she tried to sell it on FB, it went to another LFS that just went out of business.

Long story shot, it killed another 4 fish and was living in the frag tank. People ask the effects, physiologically and psychologically... well there you have it.

I would keep it really well fed to ward off HLLE, and try to keep the bioload low.

 

[Trex]

Not sure how come this is thought of as an educated risk. This isn't like trying to keep a certain fish that is difficult to get feeding, trying different foods, natural environment, etc is an educated risk.

Trying to shoehorn a fish into a tank that is too small is, IMO/E, just being stubborn. It will take at least a decade before one can claim success.

 

[ParkerB]

Is it possible? Maybe, for a short period.
Is it Ethical? No.

So your saying some if the ppl that have won reef spotlight and im sure had great success are un-ethical? Look at April's Reef spotlight that's one amazing 50g with two zebras.

+1 to ritters posts.




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[Trex]

IMO, it is. Don't feel that a tank should be spotlighted if it was a 50 gallon with 2 tangs.

Great success? How are you defining that? Keeping a tang alive in a 50 gallon tang for a couple of years is not success, IMO.

 

[Keepnitreel]

Just put the tang in the tank & enjoy it for a couple of years. These fish are for our enjoyment and serve no other purpose besides being food for predators in the wild.
So what, yeah I said it!!!!!

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[Trex]

Just put the tang in the tank & enjoy it for a couple of years. These fish are for our enjoyment and serve no other purpose besides being food for predators in the wild.
So what, yeah I said it!!!!!

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Sure you said it, that is your choice. However, it wasn't factually correct; they do serve other purposes.

 

[Keepnitreel]

We buy them from the Suppliers for our entertainment, plan and simple, do as you want. If you want to clean it & cook it, then do so.

Also, you UNOFFICIALLY give up the right to ask for advice regarding a fish that is in a tank that's WAY too small. The only answers you probably get is "THAT TANK IS TO SMALL! "

enjoy your tang, dude

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